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	<title>Comments on: FeedLounge&#8217;s amazing disappearing feeds trick!</title>
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		<title>By: David Sharpe</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-5125</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sharpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's too bad. It's a nice feature.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-5121</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, truth be told David - I tried but I couldn't get it to work!

I kept getting a silly error message "Canâ€™t synchronize because of an error uploading to your FTP server (connect() timed out!)."

Google wasn't any help either :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, truth be told David - I tried but I couldn&#8217;t get it to work!</p>
<p>I kept getting a silly error message &#8220;Canâ€™t synchronize because of an error uploading to your FTP server (connect() timed out!).&#8221;</p>
<p>Google wasn&#8217;t any help either <img src='http://www.tomrafteryit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: David Sharpe</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-5001</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sharpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn't you just use the Synchronize feature in NetNewsWire?</description>
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		<title>By: Cool online feed aggregator &#171; Tom Raftery&#8217;s I.T. views</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4609</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool online feed aggregator &#171; Tom Raftery&#8217;s I.T. views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I got an email this morning from a Tom Atkins. Tom had read about my various issues with FeedLounge and trying to sort out an online RSS Feed aggregator so I can keep my feeds synched across computers. Tom suggested I have a look at an online RSS Feeds aggregator called Gregarius and I did and I have to say I am impressed with it! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I got an email this morning from a Tom Atkins. Tom had read about my various issues with FeedLounge and trying to sort out an online RSS Feed aggregator so I can keep my feeds synched across computers. Tom suggested I have a look at an online RSS Feeds aggregator called Gregarius and I did and I have to say I am impressed with it! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4418</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony - thanks for your comment.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I find the fact that you complain about something so small as a forum username quite sad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
My initial complaint Anthony was about the fact that none of my feeds were displaying. However, I was further annoyed by the fact that I then had to register another username and password combo to log this issue in the forum.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Alex has to spend his time responding to your discussion, instead of working on features for the site&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I agree Alex doesn't have to spend his time responding to my discussion - read Brian's very astute comment above - if Alex had simply said at the start - "you know that's not a bad idea Tom - we'll take that into consideration. Right now we're swamped but next week/month when things quieten down a bit we'll revisit this issue. Any other problems, feel free to contact me."

This would have taken 2 minutes and it would have immediately ended the issue - instead Alex chose to argue the point. The funny thing in all this is that all the time I was striving to help Alex!

&lt;blockquote&gt;You have lost a reader here at leastâ€¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm sorry to hear that Anthony - I hope you'll return sometime in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony - thanks for your comment.</p>
<blockquote><p>I find the fact that you complain about something so small as a forum username quite sad.</p></blockquote>
<p>My initial complaint Anthony was about the fact that none of my feeds were displaying. However, I was further annoyed by the fact that I then had to register another username and password combo to log this issue in the forum.</p>
<blockquote><p>Alex has to spend his time responding to your discussion, instead of working on features for the site</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree Alex doesn&#8217;t have to spend his time responding to my discussion - read Brian&#8217;s very astute comment above - if Alex had simply said at the start - &#8220;you know that&#8217;s not a bad idea Tom - we&#8217;ll take that into consideration. Right now we&#8217;re swamped but next week/month when things quieten down a bit we&#8217;ll revisit this issue. Any other problems, feel free to contact me.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would have taken 2 minutes and it would have immediately ended the issue - instead Alex chose to argue the point. The funny thing in all this is that all the time I was striving to help Alex!</p>
<blockquote><p>You have lost a reader here at leastâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear that Anthony - I hope you&#8217;ll return sometime in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4416</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the fact that you complain about something so small as a forum username quite sad.  Alex has to spend his time responding to your discussion, instead of working on features for the site.

A customer-business relationship works both ways.  You make it sound like you are the only customer that they have.  You have lost a reader here at least...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the fact that you complain about something so small as a forum username quite sad.  Alex has to spend his time responding to your discussion, instead of working on features for the site.</p>
<p>A customer-business relationship works both ways.  You make it sound like you are the only customer that they have.  You have lost a reader here at least&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Thank you for taking the trouble to complain&#8221; &#171; Tom Raftery&#8217;s I.T. views</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Thank you for taking the trouble to complain&#8221; &#171; Tom Raftery&#8217;s I.T. views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] By the way, I have purposfully left the name of the company involved out of this post because I think the focus of this post shouldn&#8217;t be the company but the lack of customer service. If you do want to see my original post and all the comments, you can here. Technorati Tags: customer service, microsoft, robert scoble, RSS, web 20 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4287</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - there isn't any difference between the two. I am aware that you said you didn't want to restrict FeedLounge usernames to untaken forum usernames but just 'cos you don't &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to do it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it if it fixes the problem in your apps.

I didn't say I didn't want to engage in the discussion - I said I was getting tired of it. The issue I raised is far from rhetorical - you have a problem with your applications. Applications I am paying for. I am trying to help you fix that and instead of welcoming the feedback, you are getting snotty and defensive. 

Your ideas of customer service leave a lot to be desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex - there isn&#8217;t any difference between the two. I am aware that you said you didn&#8217;t want to restrict FeedLounge usernames to untaken forum usernames but just &#8216;cos you don&#8217;t <em>want</em> to do it doesn&#8217;t mean you shouldn&#8217;t do it if it fixes the problem in your apps.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say I didn&#8217;t want to engage in the discussion - I said I was getting tired of it. The issue I raised is far from rhetorical - you have a problem with your applications. Applications I am paying for. I am trying to help you fix that and instead of welcoming the feedback, you are getting snotty and defensive. </p>
<p>Your ideas of customer service leave a lot to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4284</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I'm being dense here, I don't see much difference between what I said here:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m afraid it would, or weâ€™d have to restrict FeedLounge usernames to untaken forum usernames.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and the solution you propose here:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The obvious answer there is not to allow someone to register a username in FL which has already been taken in the support forum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you don't want to engage in a discussion of a "problem" like this, please indicate that your question was rhetorical and I will not waste both of our time trying to engage in the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m being dense here, I don&#8217;t see much difference between what I said here:</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m afraid it would, or weâ€™d have to restrict FeedLounge usernames to untaken forum usernames.</p></blockquote>
<p>and the solution you propose here:</p>
<blockquote><p>The obvious answer there is not to allow someone to register a username in FL which has already been taken in the support forum.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to engage in a discussion of a &#8220;problem&#8221; like this, please indicate that your question was rhetorical and I will not waste both of our time trying to engage in the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Layman</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4216</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Tom deep breath!  ;)

If &lt;strike&gt;customer&lt;/strike&gt; human relations were easy for easy for tech people, there'd be  a whole lot less lonely geeks in the world.  It takes a long time and a lot of effort and even more mistakes to get Customer service REALLY right.

One of the early lessons, the one Alex just had, is don't try to explain the difficulties in getting something done.  Most customers don't care about the details of completing a task.  They care about the end result and being respected.  Everyone knows now that ANY feature can be added to software, it's just a matter of how much thought and effort you want to put into it.  And No customers like to be proven wrong after a long debate.

So you take the idea into consideration, this means record it somewhere you WILL look at it again, tell the customer you've done so (thus you have taken immediate action upon the customer's request) and, as Tom says, thank them for the idea.  Ideally you'll have a way of knowing that the customer asked about something and you can look up the status/result of that request, but that all also often comes later.

As does the experience to handle all of these situations and the toughened skin to deal with the customers that don't want to be consoled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Tom deep breath!  <img src='http://www.tomrafteryit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If <strike>customer</strike> human relations were easy for easy for tech people, there&#8217;d be  a whole lot less lonely geeks in the world.  It takes a long time and a lot of effort and even more mistakes to get Customer service REALLY right.</p>
<p>One of the early lessons, the one Alex just had, is don&#8217;t try to explain the difficulties in getting something done.  Most customers don&#8217;t care about the details of completing a task.  They care about the end result and being respected.  Everyone knows now that ANY feature can be added to software, it&#8217;s just a matter of how much thought and effort you want to put into it.  And No customers like to be proven wrong after a long debate.</p>
<p>So you take the idea into consideration, this means record it somewhere you WILL look at it again, tell the customer you&#8217;ve done so (thus you have taken immediate action upon the customer&#8217;s request) and, as Tom says, thank them for the idea.  Ideally you&#8217;ll have a way of knowing that the customer asked about something and you can look up the status/result of that request, but that all also often comes later.</p>
<p>As does the experience to handle all of these situations and the toughened skin to deal with the customers that don&#8217;t want to be consoled.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4207</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Alex - a quick lesson for you in Customer Service:
If a customer complains about some aspect of your application, you do &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; argue with the complainant or try to make them feel stupid.
On the contrary, you thank them profusely for complaining - you thank them for taking the time and effort to make you aware of a problem in your application - a problem which you may otherwise have been blissfully unaware of. 

Alex, a complaint, when handled properly, will win you more loyal customers than customers who have never had any issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Alex - a quick lesson for you in Customer Service:<br />
If a customer complains about some aspect of your application, you do <em>not</em> argue with the complainant or try to make them feel stupid.<br />
On the contrary, you thank them profusely for complaining - you thank them for taking the time and effort to make you aware of a problem in your application - a problem which you may otherwise have been blissfully unaware of. </p>
<p>Alex, a complaint, when handled properly, will win you more loyal customers than customers who have never had any issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4206</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

I'm getting a little tired of this discussion. I am a paying customer of yours. I have made an observation about some unnecessarily awkward behaviour by your applications and I have suggested ways to make your application better.

This is not rocket science. This problem has been solved many times before. Single sign-in is not unusual.

To answer your question:
&lt;blockquote&gt;what happens when someone registers for the FL service and wants a username that is already taken in the forums?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The obvious answer there is not to allow someone to register a username in FL which has already been taken in the support forum.

Something like:
&lt;code&gt;if ProposedUserName = FLUserName or SFUserName, PrintToScreen "Sorry that username is taken, try again"&lt;/code&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting a little tired of this discussion. I am a paying customer of yours. I have made an observation about some unnecessarily awkward behaviour by your applications and I have suggested ways to make your application better.</p>
<p>This is not rocket science. This problem has been solved many times before. Single sign-in is not unusual.</p>
<p>To answer your question:</p>
<blockquote><p>what happens when someone registers for the FL service and wants a username that is already taken in the forums?</p></blockquote>
<p>The obvious answer there is not to allow someone to register a username in FL which has already been taken in the support forum.</p>
<p>Something like:<br />
<code>if ProposedUserName = FLUserName or SFUserName, PrintToScreen "Sorry that username is taken, try again"</code></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4203</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, then what happens when someone registers for the FL service and wants a username that is already taken in the forums? What forum account should we create?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, then what happens when someone registers for the FL service and wants a username that is already taken in the forums? What forum account should we create?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4166</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are ways around that too Alex - for instance, anyone registering for the forum - put a flag on their account when they register (if they don't have a feedlounge account) and check for that flag as part of the login process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are ways around that too Alex - for instance, anyone registering for the forum - put a flag on their account when they register (if they don&#8217;t have a feedlounge account) and check for that flag as part of the login process.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4119</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid it would, or we'd have to restrict FeedLounge usernames to untaken forum usernames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid it would, or we&#8217;d have to restrict FeedLounge usernames to untaken forum usernames.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4081</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, thank you Scott.

And the forums login issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, thank you Scott.</p>
<p>And the forums login issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sanders</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4080</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,  your feeds are now fixed.  We are now stripping the invalid characters one of your feeds was presenting to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,  your feeds are now fixed.  We are now stripping the invalid characters one of your feeds was presenting to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4079</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No you wouldn't.

Create a forums account on FeedLounge account creation automatically. This does not prevent others from creating accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No you wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Create a forums account on FeedLounge account creation automatically. This does not prevent others from creating accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4078</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Alex, could you not allow people to use the forums with the same login they use for the application? Having to have another account for the forums is a complete pain.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If we did that, we'd have to limit forum users to only active FeedLounge users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Alex, could you not allow people to use the forums with the same login they use for the application? Having to have another account for the forums is a complete pain.</p></blockquote>
<p>If we did that, we&#8217;d have to limit forum users to only active FeedLounge users.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/feedlounges-amazing-disappearing-feeds-trick/#comment-4076</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lar - I have tried Bloglines (and Google Reader and News Gator) but I haven't liked any of them - hence my trying FeedLounge.

Alex, could you not allow people to use the forums with the same login they use for the application? Having to have another account for the forums is a complete pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lar - I have tried Bloglines (and Google Reader and News Gator) but I haven&#8217;t liked any of them - hence my trying FeedLounge.</p>
<p>Alex, could you not allow people to use the forums with the same login they use for the application? Having to have another account for the forums is a complete pain.</p>
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