Comments on: Google to store your data encrypted? http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/ Tom Raftery, social media consultant, speaker, blogger and podcaster Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:05:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6239 Tom Raftery Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:59:40 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6239 Simon - fyi - I have it from another legal source that he *thinks* you can only be compelled to hand over keys or passphrases for encrypted information by court order in a non-criminal setting. Simon - fyi - I have it from another legal source that he *thinks* you can only be compelled to hand over keys or passphrases for encrypted information by court order in a non-criminal setting.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6158 Tom Raftery Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:15:22 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6158 And if the info is encrypted - can you be compelled to provide the key? And if the info is encrypted - can you be compelled to provide the key?

]]> By: Simon McGarr http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6155 Simon McGarr Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:37:55 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6155 Oh, and by the way, your call history, and a record of your physical location for the last few years is <a href="http://www.digitalrights.ie/2005/10/25/parliamentary-question-on-data-retention/">already stored on the government's behalf by your mobile phone company</a>. They don't need a warrant to get at that, either. They just ask. Oh, and by the way, your call history, and a record of your physical location for the last few years is already stored on the government’s behalf by your mobile phone company.

They don’t need a warrant to get at that, either. They just ask.

]]> By: Simon McGarr http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6154 Simon McGarr Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:34:45 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6154 Warrant focus on physical invasion. Information held digitally isn't generally recognised as a physical item. Therefore accessing it isn't covered by the same protection as your house, or even other physical assests. Have I mentioned that <a href="http://www.digitalrights.ie/support/">Digital Rights Ireland is accepting donations?</a> And there are <a href="http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/03/07/support-digital-rights-ireland-buy-a-t-shirt/">T-shirts available</a> if you like to get something to tell other people about DRI as well. *cough* Warrant focus on physical invasion.
Information held digitally isn’t generally recognised as a physical item. Therefore accessing it isn’t covered by the same protection as your house, or even other physical assests.

Have I mentioned that Digital Rights Ireland is accepting donations? And there are T-shirts available if you like to get something to tell other people about DRI as well.

*cough*

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6153 Tom Raftery Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:26:37 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6153 @Derek, I think you are spot on with the Gdrive analysis - Google do want to give you as many ways as possible to store everything online. And while this is very convenient, I'd prefer to see this done using PKI encryption - this would mean no-one could acces my information on Google's servers (Google included) except me. Not likely to happen, but that's what I'd like to see - no evil and all that! @ Simon - You are kidding, right? The police can examine the contents of my laptop without a warrant if it is not in my house? Can they also examine my car, my luggage, my wallet, my mobile (with all its records of SMSs, address book, call records, etc.)? @Derek, I think you are spot on with the Gdrive analysis - Google do want to give you as many ways as possible to store everything online. And while this is very convenient, I’d prefer to see this done using PKI encryption - this would mean no-one could acces my information on Google’s servers (Google included) except me. Not likely to happen, but that’s what I’d like to see - no evil and all that!

@ Simon - You are kidding, right? The police can examine the contents of my laptop without a warrant if it is not in my house? Can they also examine my car, my luggage, my wallet, my mobile (with all its records of SMSs, address book, call records, etc.)?

]]> By: Simon McGarr http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6152 Simon McGarr Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:19:26 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-6152 Hello Tom, Had a bit of a headscratch about this, and consulted with knowledgable sorts. A warrant is required to physically enter your premises. But if your laptop was in for repairs, let's say, and therefore out of your house the collective headscratchers can't see any reason that the police would need a warrant to examine the contents of your PC. If any of your readers have a legal citation that would suggest otherwise, I'd be very interested in it. S Hello Tom,

Had a bit of a headscratch about this, and consulted with knowledgable sorts.

A warrant is required to physically enter your premises. But if your laptop was in for repairs, let’s say, and therefore out of your house the collective headscratchers can’t see any reason that the police would need a warrant to examine the contents of your PC.

If any of your readers have a legal citation that would suggest otherwise, I’d be very interested in it.
S

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]]> By: Derek Lawless http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5993 Derek Lawless Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:59:26 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5993 I thought further about this during the day and have changed my opinion (somewhat). I don't think that Google are trying to create an Office killer - although I don't think they have the capability to do so even if they wanted to. Microsoft have far too much of a head start for that to be feasible. I think that the recent Google purchases all lead to GDrive. The problem for Google is that unless they help you actually create and maintain content online, you'll have little reason to store it online with them. For Google, the number one task is surely to tie users in more than search alone allows. I thought further about this during the day and have changed my opinion (somewhat). I don’t think that Google are trying to create an Office killer - although I don’t think they have the capability to do so even if they wanted to. Microsoft have far too much of a head start for that to be feasible.

I think that the recent Google purchases all lead to GDrive. The problem for Google is that unless they help you actually create and maintain content online, you’ll have little reason to store it online with them. For Google, the number one task is surely to tie users in more than search alone allows.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5980 Tom Raftery Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:45:11 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5980 Derek, I think you are right up to a point - sure all the online apps are missing huge swathes of functionality which is present in MS Office (i.e. inserting a table of contents) - as against that, the online apps have things like online storage, tagging and rss which are not available in standalone apps so you are correct, it is not a fair comparison. Derek,

I think you are right up to a point - sure all the online apps are missing huge swathes of functionality which is present in MS Office (i.e. inserting a table of contents) - as against that, the online apps have things like online storage, tagging and rss which are not available in standalone apps so you are correct, it is not a fair comparison.

]]> By: Derek Lawless http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5973 Derek Lawless Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:19:30 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5973 I don't think anyone can seriously compare Microsoft's Office package with a couple of Ajax applications, most of which are pretty barebones in terms of functionality, user experience, and maturity. Comparing something like Word to something like Writely is like comparing an elastic band to a rocket ship. I don’t think anyone can seriously compare Microsoft’s Office package with a couple of Ajax applications, most of which are pretty barebones in terms of functionality, user experience, and maturity.

Comparing something like Word to something like Writely is like comparing an elastic band to a rocket ship.

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]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5969 Tom Raftery Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:35:10 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5969 Thanks for the clarification Simon. Am I correct in thinking, though, that a warrant would be required to examine the contents of your pc? Thanks for the clarification Simon.

Am I correct in thinking, though, that a warrant would be required to examine the contents of your pc?

]]> By: Simon McGarr http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5968 Simon McGarr Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:24:12 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/google-to-store-your-data-encrypted/#comment-5968 No subpoena is required in Ireland. The police need only request, for example, your Gmail inbox contents, and away it goes. See the video of TJ's speech at the Dublin Legal Workshop in Trinity recently for more details. Its on the <a href="http://www.digitalrights.ie/2006/03/01/government-and-privacy-in-the-digital-age-talk-now-online/">DRI website</a> Start 50ish minutes in. No subpoena is required in Ireland.
The police need only request, for example, your Gmail inbox contents, and away it goes.

See the video of TJ’s speech at the Dublin Legal Workshop in Trinity recently for more details. Its on the DRI website
Start 50ish minutes in.

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