Comments on: How to block comment spam http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/ Tom Raftery, social media consultant, speaker, blogger and podcaster Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:09:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: roger http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-107062 roger Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:59:16 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-107062 Has amnyone used simple question and valid answer technique to block spammers eg please enter the answer to five minus two or similar techniques Has amnyone used simple question and valid answer technique to block spammers eg please enter the answer to five minus two or similar techniques

]]> By: Plasma http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-46862 Plasma Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:48:59 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-46862 Interesting .htacess, i will try this in my blog... Interesting .htacess, i will try this in my blog…

]]> By: Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-20034 Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:10:27 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-20034 All of those things I talked about are a reality. I hang out with Matt M. I have a relationship with Chris Messina. I have had 8 different people on 8 different occasions tell me all of this after taking a look at my site. The truth is...Blogger is way easier. I don't want a photo in the background. i have a completely customized template I created myself in CSS and html. Simple. I don't want a template that others will be using. Anyway, I agree that anything that limits accessibility sucks. 99% of the net has accessibility limitations. I had a blind professor in university that took us into her lab one day to show us. It's quite terrible. Tables. Images. Gif headings. Flash. Ajax (although it wasn't around at that time, I've heard that it is extremely evil on text readers). Frames. Almost every layout we take for granted is terrible. Captchas represent 1% of what is wrong online when it comes to accessibility. This is not a justification, but an observation. You really should be railing against all of the above. All of those things I talked about are a reality. I hang out with Matt M. I have a relationship with Chris Messina. I have had 8 different people on 8 different occasions tell me all of this after taking a look at my site.

The truth is…Blogger is way easier. I don’t want a photo in the background. i have a completely customized template I created myself in CSS and html. Simple. I don’t want a template that others will be using.

Anyway, I agree that anything that limits accessibility sucks. 99% of the net has accessibility limitations. I had a blind professor in university that took us into her lab one day to show us. It’s quite terrible. Tables. Images. Gif headings. Flash. Ajax (although it wasn’t around at that time, I’ve heard that it is extremely evil on text readers). Frames. Almost every layout we take for granted is terrible. Captchas represent 1% of what is wrong online when it comes to accessibility. This is not a justification, but an observation. You really should be railing against all of the above.

]]> By: John Koetsier http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-20005 John Koetsier Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:45:35 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-20005 Tom, I'm glad you mentioned Akismet, because it completely rocks. It's distributed nature ensures that any comment spam that's going around quickly gets noticed and banned from the network. At least in my experience, it's almost eliminated comment spam from my life. I wrote about it here: http://www.sparkplug9.com/bizhack/index.php/2006/06/13/askismet-a-bloggers-life-saver/ Tom, I’m glad you mentioned Akismet, because it completely rocks. It’s distributed nature ensures that any comment spam that’s going around quickly gets noticed and banned from the network.

At least in my experience, it’s almost eliminated comment spam from my life.

I wrote about it here:
http://www.sparkplug9.com/bizhack/index.php/2006/06/13/askismet-a-bloggers-life-saver/

]]> By: Mark http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19946 Mark Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:04:55 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19946 I agree with Michele on this one. Justin Mason's small little insert my name here box is quite good in a way and I also like the add these two numbers and input the answer idea I've seen scripted by some people on their sites. Neither are fool proof but they're enough to trip up the bulk of spambots. Captchas maybe a level of complexity too far but it's technology which is widely available and enabled with a tick of a checkbox or a push of a radio button. The amount of people blogging via a hosted service far outweighs those running their own server so there's only so much control a lot of bloggers have anyway. Then there's the fact that they go with a hosted service as they don't want to have to deal with any technical nonsense anyway. Not everyone has the ability, and then there are those who have the ability but not the time. After all of those you have the folks running their own servers. A minority in a minority. You interviewed Loic Le Meur and Vint Cerf if I recall, if you want something changed then you already have their email addresses. I agree with Michele on this one. Justin Mason’s small little insert my name here box is quite good in a way and I also like the add these two numbers and input the answer idea I’ve seen scripted by some people on their sites. Neither are fool proof but they’re enough to trip up the bulk of spambots.

Captchas maybe a level of complexity too far but it’s technology which is widely available and enabled with a tick of a checkbox or a push of a radio button. The amount of people blogging via a hosted service far outweighs those running their own server so there’s only so much control a lot of bloggers have anyway. Then there’s the fact that they go with a hosted service as they don’t want to have to deal with any technical nonsense anyway. Not everyone has the ability, and then there are those who have the ability but not the time. After all of those you have the folks running their own servers. A minority in a minority.

You interviewed Loic Le Meur and Vint Cerf if I recall, if you want something changed then you already have their email addresses.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19938 Tom Raftery Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:01:09 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19938 Apologies if I am coming across as "holier than thou" - I'm simply trying to say that using the techniques outlined above, CAPTCHAs are not necessary for spam avoidance. I think I'm going a long way to help people here. Publishing my .htaccess file and my word lists so people can use them to alleviate their spam issues. On the template front - that comment was directed to Tara and I expressly offered her any help she needed precisely because I <em>do</em> realise that people can find it tricky and I don't think it is necessary to "pay someone to do the template". Apologies if I am coming across as “holier than thou” - I’m simply trying to say that using the techniques outlined above, CAPTCHAs are not necessary for spam avoidance.

I think I’m going a long way to help people here. Publishing my .htaccess file and my word lists so people can use them to alleviate their spam issues.

On the template front - that comment was directed to Tara and I expressly offered her any help she needed precisely because I do realise that people can find it tricky and I don’t think it is necessary to “pay someone to do the template”.

]]> By: Michele http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19935 Michele Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:48:26 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19935 Maybe not, but I don't think your "holier than thou" attitude to captcha helps anyone. For a lot of people captcha is a simple and effective means of blocking junk from hitting their blogs. I've seen some horrible implementations, but the simple one that Justin Mason uses works very well and probably saves him from having to deal with a lot of junk. Also, while you may find it easy to edit wordpress templates you've had plenty of experience in IT. We've found that a lot of bloggers have serious issues with even minor changes to their templates - even installing a new wordpress template can prove difficult for them. For a lot of wordpress users the builtin in plugins are about all they can be reasonably expected to use. Maybe not, but I don’t think your “holier than thou” attitude to captcha helps anyone.
For a lot of people captcha is a simple and effective means of blocking junk from hitting their blogs. I’ve seen some horrible implementations, but the simple one that Justin Mason uses works very well and probably saves him from having to deal with a lot of junk.

Also, while you may find it easy to edit wordpress templates you’ve had plenty of experience in IT. We’ve found that a lot of bloggers have serious issues with even minor changes to their templates - even installing a new wordpress template can prove difficult for them. For a lot of wordpress users the builtin in plugins are about all they can be reasonably expected to use.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19934 Tom Raftery Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:42:28 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19934 Not since I implemented the "Comment author must have a previously approved comment" rule you haven't Michele. Not since I implemented the “Comment author must have a previously approved comment” rule you haven’t Michele.

]]> By: Michele http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19932 Michele Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:29:40 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19932 Tom - not entirely true. I've received several spam comments from this blog on threads I was subscribed to over the last year Tom - not entirely true. I’ve received several spam comments from this blog on threads I was subscribed to over the last year

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19931 Tom Raftery Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:26:04 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19931 And yet, the measures I outlined above mean I don't have to implement a CAPTCHA and I don't get spam. And yet, the measures I outlined above mean I don’t have to implement a CAPTCHA and I don’t get spam.

]]> By: Mark http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19926 Mark Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:39:15 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19926 As someone who is dyslexic, you should see the spell checker go crazy trying to figure out the nonsense words become when I get tired, I agree that Captchas are a pain in the arse, and you should see the awful to read ones Six Apart use, and yet I'm still using them on Typepad as they keep a blizzard of bot created spam out of my inbox. Captchas are popular because there's zero management required by the author. They are an imperfect solution to an imperfect problem but other solutions such as asking people to sign up for TypeKey or an other identity provider can be even more off putting and I've lost comments in WordPress when the spam filter tripped and placed a valid comment somewhere in amongst the 100/200 spam comments I was receiving on a regular basis. Having to moderate comments and parse the trash for something which suffered from an overzealous spam filter was a part of my day I decided I could do without. As someone who is dyslexic, you should see the spell checker go crazy trying to figure out the nonsense words become when I get tired, I agree that Captchas are a pain in the arse, and you should see the awful to read ones Six Apart use, and yet I’m still using them on Typepad as they keep a blizzard of bot created spam out of my inbox.

Captchas are popular because there’s zero management required by the author.

They are an imperfect solution to an imperfect problem but other solutions such as asking people to sign up for TypeKey or an other identity provider can be even more off putting and I’ve lost comments in WordPress when the spam filter tripped and placed a valid comment somewhere in amongst the 100/200 spam comments I was receiving on a regular basis.

Having to moderate comments and parse the trash for something which suffered from an overzealous spam filter was a part of my day I decided I could do without.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19925 Tom Raftery Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:18:03 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19925 <blockquote>For those of us who use Blogger…Captchas are the only defense we have.</blockquote> True Tara, and shame on Blogger for that. <blockquote>having to pay someone who does PHP to do my template (’cause I don’t want standard blue)</blockquote> Not true Tara - there are literally thousands of free WordPress templates out there for download. I use K2 with an image of a seagull I took myself as the header. 10 seconds to do. I can send you instructions if you wish. No designer required! <blockquote>having to learn what the hell MySQL is</blockquote> Again, not necessary. I have not needed to go anywhere near sql in the setup or maintenance of the WordPress blogs I manage. <blockquote>hoping that all of my readers pulling my non-Feedburner feed (’cause there are almost 1000 who don’t use my FB feed) switch over</blockquote> A simple re-direct will solve this. I did it when I switched from Blogger and I had no issues. <blockquote>leaving my archives on Blogger because there is no way to import them with my comments, etc. (we’ve tried numerous times)</blockquote> I'm surprised to hear that Tara. I imported all my Blogger posts and comments (using WordPress 1.2) with only one light hiccup which was quickly <a href="http://www.tomrafteryit.net/importing-blogger-postings-into-wordpress/">resolved</a> . <blockquote>it isn’t as easy as ‘Captchas are stupid and I hate them so don’t use them’.</blockquote> I realise that Tara but it isn't just me - I quoted the American Foundation for the Blind and the W3C as also coming out against CAPTCHAs. <blockquote>join me in lobbying Blogger and we’ve got something there</blockquote> No problem, where do I sign up/picket/Googlebomb? ;) Tara - seriously, if you need any help at all in moving your site to WordPress, or with a WordPress theme, let me know and I'll see what I can do to help. Michele - how are you defining "implemented correctly"? I am not aware of any W3C approved standards around CAPTCHAs. Did I miss something? Stephen - hope the tips work out for you. Let me know how you get on.

For those of us who use Blogger…Captchas are the only defense we have.

True Tara, and shame on Blogger for that.

having to pay someone who does PHP to do my template (’cause I don’t want standard blue)

Not true Tara - there are literally thousands of free WordPress templates out there for download. I use K2 with an image of a seagull I took myself as the header. 10 seconds to do. I can send you instructions if you wish. No designer required!

having to learn what the hell MySQL is

Again, not necessary. I have not needed to go anywhere near sql in the setup or maintenance of the WordPress blogs I manage.

hoping that all of my readers pulling my non-Feedburner feed (’cause there are almost 1000 who don’t use my FB feed) switch over

A simple re-direct will solve this. I did it when I switched from Blogger and I had no issues.

leaving my archives on Blogger because there is no way to import them with my comments, etc. (we’ve tried numerous times)

I’m surprised to hear that Tara. I imported all my Blogger posts and comments (using WordPress 1.2) with only one light hiccup which was quickly resolved
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it isn’t as easy as ‘Captchas are stupid and I hate them so don’t use them’.

I realise that Tara but it isn’t just me - I quoted the American Foundation for the Blind and the W3C as also coming out against CAPTCHAs.

join me in lobbying Blogger and we’ve got something there

No problem, where do I sign up/picket/Googlebomb? ;)
Tara - seriously, if you need any help at all in moving your site to WordPress, or with a WordPress theme, let me know and I’ll see what I can do to help.

Michele - how are you defining “implemented correctly”? I am not aware of any W3C approved standards around CAPTCHAs. Did I miss something?

Stephen - hope the tips work out for you. Let me know how you get on.

]]> By: Stephen Downey http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19923 Stephen Downey Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:40:44 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19923 Thanks for this tip Tom, in the last few days I have seen a major jump in the amount of spam comments I have been receiving on my blog. They have all been moved to the moderation queue but hopefully these tips will save me having to delete them from the queue every half an hour. Thanks for this tip Tom, in the last few days I have seen a major jump in the amount of spam comments I have been receiving on my blog.

They have all been moved to the moderation queue but hopefully these tips will save me having to delete them from the queue every half an hour.

]]> By: Michele http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19917 Michele Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:12:56 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19917 Captchas can work very well if they are implemented correctly. Captchas can work very well if they are implemented correctly.

]]> By: Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19912 Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:42:43 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/how-to-block-comment-spam/#comment-19912 For those of us who use Blogger...Captchas are the only defense we have. Upon your request, I removed Captchas months ago, only to be inundated with gobs of spam. In the interest of my time (at least 1 hour a day was cleaning out spam), I went back and have no problems now. Now, I could switch to wordpress, but that would mean having to start all over again and having to pay someone who does PHP to do my template ('cause I don't want standard blue) and having to learn what the hell MySQL is and hoping that all of my readers pulling my non-Feedburner feed ('cause there are almost 1000 who don't use my FB feed) switch over and leaving my archives on Blogger because there is no way to import them with my comments, etc. (we've tried numerous times) and the whole thing would be a mess. Blogger is simple, free and if it is only captchas I have to put up with, so be it. So...I hope you can forgive me, Tom, but Captchas make my life easier on blogger. All of my subsequent blogs, I have started on Wordpress (but I still need to pay big $$ to a PHP designer one of these days and Chris is the only one who knows what that other stuff means). I don't want to sound defensive. I just want you to know that it isn't as easy as 'Captchas are stupid and I hate them so don't use them'. You join me in lobbying Blogger and we've got something there. For those of us who use Blogger…Captchas are the only defense we have.

Upon your request, I removed Captchas months ago, only to be inundated with gobs of spam. In the interest of my time (at least 1 hour a day was cleaning out spam), I went back and have no problems now.

Now, I could switch to wordpress, but that would mean having to start all over again and having to pay someone who does PHP to do my template (’cause I don’t want standard blue) and having to learn what the hell MySQL is and hoping that all of my readers pulling my non-Feedburner feed (’cause there are almost 1000 who don’t use my FB feed) switch over and leaving my archives on Blogger because there is no way to import them with my comments, etc. (we’ve tried numerous times) and the whole thing would be a mess. Blogger is simple, free and if it is only captchas I have to put up with, so be it.

So…I hope you can forgive me, Tom, but Captchas make my life easier on blogger. All of my subsequent blogs, I have started on Wordpress (but I still need to pay big $$ to a PHP designer one of these days and Chris is the only one who knows what that other stuff means). I don’t want to sound defensive. I just want you to know that it isn’t as easy as ‘Captchas are stupid and I hate them so don’t use them’.

You join me in lobbying Blogger and we’ve got something there.

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