Comments on: Is Mac OS X Leopard’s Mail App Junk? http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/ Tom Raftery, social media consultant, speaker, blogger and podcaster Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:55:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Kimmo Veijalainen http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-185726 Kimmo Veijalainen Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:31:58 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-185726 Mail.app is useless junk. It barfs 278 directories on every IMAP account and Mail.apps IMAP support in general sucks compared to Thunderbird. Too bad that iPhoto does not agree with Thunderbird, even with the iphoto-thunderbird-bridge-kludge. Mail.app is useless junk.
It barfs 278 directories on every IMAP account and Mail.apps IMAP support in general sucks compared to Thunderbird.
Too bad that iPhoto does not agree with Thunderbird, even with the iphoto-thunderbird-bridge-kludge.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-115882 Anonymous Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:11:04 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-115882 How do you turn OFF mail. I don't want to use it. How do you turn OFF mail. I don’t want to use it.

]]> By: Brian http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-115265 Brian Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:49:39 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-115265 Junk mail filtering in Leopard's Maill.app, even after a re-set and re-training of the junk mail filtering, SUCKS. It's absolutely horrid, with many false positives and many many more false negatives. I've tried like crazy to train Mail app to block SPAM, to no avail. Thunderbird, and even the now-nearly-defunct Eudora, both provide far superior spam filtering. This is my biggest beef with Mail - but it really drags down the whole app. Junk mail filtering in Leopard’s Maill.app, even after a re-set and re-training of the junk mail filtering, SUCKS. It’s absolutely horrid, with many false positives and many many more false negatives. I’ve tried like crazy to train Mail app to block SPAM, to no avail. Thunderbird, and even the now-nearly-defunct Eudora, both provide far superior spam filtering. This is my biggest beef with Mail - but it really drags down the whole app.

]]> By: BLA http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-112177 BLA Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:59:19 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-112177 Why, why, why!? I thought for sure with this update, Apple would add the most basic feature, one that every other email client I've ever used has: the ability to set a delay before a mail message is marked as "read." So basic. I have stuck with Thunderbird for that reason. In mail.app, the moment you highlight a message it's read. If you delete a message, it instantly marks the one above it as read. Or if you use the arrow keys to scroll down a few messages, viola! You've "read" all those that you touched. I know I can turn off preview pane, but that's not how I read messages. I wish I had the programming skills to write a plugin. Why, why, why!? I thought for sure with this update, Apple would add the most basic feature, one that every other email client I’ve ever used has: the ability to set a delay before a mail message is marked as “read.” So basic. I have stuck with Thunderbird for that reason. In mail.app, the moment you highlight a message it’s read. If you delete a message, it instantly marks the one above it as read. Or if you use the arrow keys to scroll down a few messages, viola! You’ve “read” all those that you touched. I know I can turn off preview pane, but that’s not how I read messages. I wish I had the programming skills to write a plugin.

]]> By: ina http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-112078 ina Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:57:46 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-112078 Ok, so now I can put my stickies in my mail.app in stead of on the desktop. So what?? I don't get why Apple keep forgetting to do something about this application. Thunderbird has so many much better features, including mailtags. I need mailtags, to be able to group recipients without having to add them to my addressbook first, I need better filtering. I do not need ruled notepaper. Yes, I know I can use MailTags etc, but I think Apple should have prioritized adding better filter and tagging functionality to their app, rather than notes - or both, preferably... On the petite stuff, I see that I can add an event in iCal directly from a mail. Nice, only in Europe we write dd.mm.yy - unlike in the US. Which means that this feature misinterprets dates, as far as I can see. I could probably change my settings, but that would be confusing in all other situations. I also use gmail via POP and take advantage of their excellent spam filter. Ok, so now I can put my stickies in my mail.app in stead of on the desktop. So what?? I don’t get why Apple keep forgetting to do something about this application. Thunderbird has so many much better features, including mailtags. I need mailtags, to be able to group recipients without having to add them to my addressbook first, I need better filtering. I do not need ruled notepaper. Yes, I know I can use MailTags etc, but I think Apple should have prioritized adding better filter and tagging functionality to their app, rather than notes - or both, preferably…
On the petite stuff, I see that I can add an event in iCal directly from a mail. Nice, only in Europe we write dd.mm.yy - unlike in the US. Which means that this feature misinterprets dates, as far as I can see. I could probably change my settings, but that would be confusing in all other situations.
I also use gmail via POP and take advantage of their excellent spam filter.

]]> By: Jochen Lillich http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111684 Jochen Lillich Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:26:54 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111684 I'd like to clarify that I'm pulling my mail from GMail via POP3. That way, I enjoy GMail's very good spam filter and its easy to use web interface when I'm on the road as well as the comfort of Mail and MailTags on my MBP. I’d like to clarify that I’m pulling my mail from GMail via POP3. That way, I enjoy GMail’s very good spam filter and its easy to use web interface when I’m on the road as well as the comfort of Mail and MailTags on my MBP.

]]> By: Jochen Lillich http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111682 Jochen Lillich Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:03:19 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111682 I use Apple Mail together with MailTags and MailActOn very intensively. But I'll first have to take a look into the new features until I decide to get Leopard. So far, I found nothing that really drives me to upgrade. I use Apple Mail together with MailTags and MailActOn very intensively. But I’ll first have to take a look into the new features until I decide to get Leopard. So far, I found nothing that really drives me to upgrade.

]]> By: “It seems that the cat has been caught by the very person who was trying to catch him” | James Galvin http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111678 “It seems that the cat has been caught by the very person who was trying to catch him” | James Galvin Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:58:46 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111678 [...] been spotted and will be available in 8 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes from the time of writing this. Tom Raftery points to this poll on GigaOM trying to pinpoint a reason to [...] [...] been spotted and will be available in 8 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes from the time of writing this. Tom Raftery points to this poll on GigaOM trying to pinpoint a reason to [...]

]]> By: Jonathan Brazil http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111676 Jonathan Brazil Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:27:14 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111676 I have to say that I've always found Mail.app to be pretty good at catching junk. On the odd occasion it even caught rubbish I didn't want to read from somebody that I knew. ;) However, I'm buying a new Mac Mini and I'm purposely holding off for the last few months for Leopard (too tight to buy it separately). I'm really enthused by the Time Machine, Spaces, the new file system view, the piles (collections of items in the dock) that were rumoured for 10.3 but never surfaced and quite a few of the other updates too. Of course I'm a big Mac fan so my views might be a little skewed but I think it's worth the move. I have to say that I’ve always found Mail.app to be pretty good at catching junk. On the odd occasion it even caught rubbish I didn’t want to read from somebody that I knew. ;)
However, I’m buying a new Mac Mini and I’m purposely holding off for the last few months for Leopard (too tight to buy it separately). I’m really enthused by the Time Machine, Spaces, the new file system view, the piles (collections of items in the dock) that were rumoured for 10.3 but never surfaced and quite a few of the other updates too. Of course I’m a big Mac fan so my views might be a little skewed but I think it’s worth the move.

]]> By: Zac Garrett http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111671 Zac Garrett Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:03:27 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111671 Mail.app is useless to me. I tried to use it for about a week until switching back to Thunderbird. In the last few weeks I've switched my personal mail over to gmail. Thunderbird's spam filter started catching less and less of my spam. Switching over to gmail fixed make my life so much easier. I no longer have to think about spam. Mail.app is useless to me. I tried to use it for about a week until switching back to Thunderbird.

In the last few weeks I’ve switched my personal mail over to gmail. Thunderbird’s spam filter started catching less and less of my spam. Switching over to gmail fixed make my life so much easier. I no longer have to think about spam.

]]> By: James http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111667 James Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:18:59 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111667 If Mail.app's junk filter appears to be "untrainable", you may want to reset the filter via the preferences, which basically brings the filter back to day 1. I had to do this once after upgrading to 10.4, but after a month of training, it now catches 9 out of 10 spams with absolutely no false positives. If Mail.app’s junk filter appears to be “untrainable”, you may want to reset the filter via the preferences, which basically brings the filter back to day 1. I had to do this once after upgrading to 10.4, but after a month of training, it now catches 9 out of 10 spams with absolutely no false positives.

]]> By: James http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111656 James Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:30:07 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111656 As much as I wanted to like Mail.app, I also use Thunderbird, and see no real reason for upgrading to Leopard. As much as I wanted to like Mail.app, I also use Thunderbird, and see no real reason for upgrading to Leopard.

]]> By: Milan http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111652 Milan Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:13:02 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/is-mac-os-x-leopards-mail-app-junk/#comment-111652 I see no reason to upgrade until applications I need start to require it. I see no reason to upgrade until applications I need start to require it.

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