Comments on: Le Web 3 renamed Loic (pronounced Le Week) http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/ Tom Raftery, social media consultant, speaker, blogger and podcaster Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:44:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73256 Tom Raftery Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:23:21 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73256 Kermit, I presumed it was Yossi Vardin who landed Shimon Peres for Loic - you think not? Kermit,

I presumed it was Yossi Vardin who landed Shimon Peres for Loic - you think not?

]]> By: Kermit http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73249 Kermit Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:09:06 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73249 Hey Tom, I was there, and from my vantage of covering French politics as well as well as tech stories, I reckon the following happened: Loic was in touch with Sarko, who offered first Peres then himself for the conference. Loic, stuffing up big-time, thought it would be a good idea to invite Bayrou along to counter-balance Sarko. So we ended up with a boring navel-gazing Franco-French 2nd day. Hell, Loic admitted as much, saying Bayrou was invited at the last minute, but Sarko "insisted" on coming and had rearranged his schedule to do so. I took a little footage. It's on my site. Hey Tom, I was there, and from my vantage of covering French politics as well as well as tech stories, I reckon the following happened: Loic was in touch with Sarko, who offered first Peres then himself for the conference. Loic, stuffing up big-time, thought it would be a good idea to invite Bayrou along to counter-balance Sarko. So we ended up with a boring navel-gazing Franco-French 2nd day. Hell, Loic admitted as much, saying Bayrou was invited at the last minute, but Sarko “insisted” on coming and had rearranged his schedule to do so.

I took a little footage. It’s on my site.

]]> By: Let’s go! - by Stefanos Vasdekis » Blog Archive » Leweb3 on a one to ten scale http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73203 Let’s go! - by Stefanos Vasdekis » Blog Archive » Leweb3 on a one to ten scale Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:08:13 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73203 [...] 1) The French politicians who used our event for their campaigns.  [...] [...] 1) The French politicians who used our event for their campaigns.  [...]

]]> By: Conor O'Neill http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73198 Conor O'Neill Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:04:15 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73198 Loic's continued silence is an insult to all who attended and blogged about the event. As many have said, if he had posted a simple "We got it wrong on the politics, the wifi was rubbish and we treated the startups badly. We are sorry. p.s. We cannot believe this resulted in Sam being fired." on his blog on Wednesday, this story would already be dead. Instead the Executive VP of a blog company goes to ground and hopes the story just goes away. The mind boggles but it is great news for Blogger, Wordpress and blog.de. <a href="http://mbites.com/an-open-letter-to-mike-arrington">Great open letter from Mike Butcher</a> over at his blog. Cuts through all the noise and gets to the heart of Sam's firing. Loic’s continued silence is an insult to all who attended and blogged about the event. As many have said, if he had posted a simple “We got it wrong on the politics, the wifi was rubbish and we treated the startups badly. We are sorry. p.s. We cannot believe this resulted in Sam being fired.” on his blog on Wednesday, this story would already be dead. Instead the Executive VP of a blog company goes to ground and hopes the story just goes away. The mind boggles but it is great news for Blogger, Wordpress and blog.de.

Great open letter from Mike Butcher over at his blog. Cuts through all the noise and gets to the heart of Sam’s firing.

]]> By: Paul Walsh http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73102 Paul Walsh Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:30:10 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73102 Dennis, check this one out LOL <a href="http://helploicdrafthispost.com/">http://helploicdrafthispost.com/</a> Dennis, check this one out LOL

http://helploicdrafthispost.com/

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73096 Dennis Howlett Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:16:35 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73096 Paul - you're right. I'll back right off. William - I subsequently heard from someone who witnesse Loic apologising but qualifying by saying if he had to do it all again he would he do the same. Foolish doesn't even come close. If anyone is interested in lightening this thing up and reads French then there is a brilliant satirical view of Loic's site called Loique Jemeur. This <a href="http://loiquejemeur.blogspot.com/2006/12/copie-de-lemail-envoy-trois-candidats.html">email spoof post</a> is amusing. In the interests of good taste at Toms' place I won't give the translation but I suspect it captures the mood of many. Paul - you’re right. I’ll back right off.

William - I subsequently heard from someone who witnesse Loic apologising but qualifying by saying if he had to do it all again he would he do the same. Foolish doesn’t even come close.

If anyone is interested in lightening this thing up and reads French then there is a brilliant satirical view of Loic’s site called Loique Jemeur. This email spoof post is amusing. In the interests of good taste at Toms’ place I won’t give the translation but I suspect it captures the mood of many.

]]> By: William http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73084 William Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:58:31 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73084 A Frenchman: Look at me I'm on stage, let me tell you, you were fantastique, did you know? I'm always invited to Davos and TED? I am France's superblogger, you were superb, kiss my ass A Swede: I'm an entrepreneur in a smart suit and open collar shirt. Talk to me about distributed capitalism, tell me what you think of it An Englishman: It's bullshit, that's what it is. Capitalists don't distribute capital. An American: I see a future in which resumes are held on the web and ratifed and rated by people who know you, so you can't lie. It's called Linkedin.com. An Israeli elder statesman: You know, to fight aids you have to purify the water. A right wing French interior minister: The internet must obey rules! I was there. Le Web 3.0 was a tragedy and a farce. I hated Le Meur (a preening fool) Peres (an apologist for violence masquerading as a wize old man of peace) Sarko (an uninvited guest with a big stick) the panels (devoid of intelligence or tension). I hated it because speakers with something to say were denied the time to say it, because speakers were chosen because of the company they represented and not for what they had to say. I hated the audience, myself included, who looked into their laptops instead of having the guts to stand up to make their feelings heard. Big up to the finger boys. I was there. It was dreadful. That was Le web last and no more six apart for me. A Frenchman: Look at me I’m on stage, let me tell you, you were fantastique, did you know? I’m always invited to Davos and TED? I am France’s superblogger, you were superb, kiss my ass

A Swede: I’m an entrepreneur in a smart suit and open collar shirt. Talk to me about distributed capitalism, tell me what you think of it

An Englishman: It’s bullshit, that’s what it is. Capitalists don’t distribute capital.

An American: I see a future in which resumes are held on the web and ratifed and rated by people who know you, so you can’t lie. It’s called Linkedin.com.

An Israeli elder statesman: You know, to fight aids you have to purify the water.

A right wing French interior minister: The internet must obey rules!

I was there. Le Web 3.0 was a tragedy and a farce.

I hated Le Meur (a preening fool) Peres (an apologist for violence masquerading as a wize old man of peace) Sarko (an uninvited guest with a big stick) the panels (devoid of intelligence or tension). I hated it because speakers with something to say were denied the time to say it, because speakers were chosen because of the company they represented and not for what they had to say. I hated the audience, myself included, who looked into their laptops instead of having the guts to stand up to make their feelings heard. Big up to the finger boys. I was there. It was dreadful. That was Le web last and no more six apart for me.

]]> By: http://www.webajay.info » Blog Archive » Polémique Web 3: Où étais Ségolène ?? http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73030 http://www.webajay.info » Blog Archive » Polémique Web 3: Où étais Ségolène ?? Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:10:26 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73030 [...] Comme vous le savez, la conférence Web3 s’est tenue à guichet fermée en début de semaine. Malheureusement, la polémique fait rage ici et là, notamment la lettre ouverte de Dieter Rappold à Loïc Le Meur. [...] [...] Comme vous le savez, la conférence Web3 s’est tenue à guichet fermée en début de semaine. Malheureusement, la polémique fait rage ici et là, notamment la lettre ouverte de Dieter Rappold à Loïc Le Meur. [...]

]]> By: Benoit Talks In English » More about leweb3 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73021 Benoit Talks In English » More about leweb3 Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:41:40 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-73021 [...] A few interesting links about the conference: Leweb conference and lebacklash LeWeb, Non; Reboot, Oui (or is it “Si”?) (Stowe Boyd) Why are they here? (Shane Richmond, Telegraph) Le Web 3 renamed Loic (pronounced Le Week) [...] [...] A few interesting links about the conference: Leweb conference and lebacklash LeWeb, Non; Reboot, Oui (or is it “Si”?) (Stowe Boyd) Why are they here? (Shane Richmond, Telegraph) Le Web 3 renamed Loic (pronounced Le Week) [...]

]]> By: There Will Be No Politicians at Northern Voice | DarrenBarefoot.com http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72799 There Will Be No Politicians at Northern Voice | DarrenBarefoot.com Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:34:37 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72799 [...] Last year I spoke at Les Blogs, a European Web 2.0 conference that’s been renamed Le Web 3. At this year’s conference, la merde a frappe le ventilateur because two French presidential candidates were snuck into the schedule at the last minute. They spoke in French, and apparently didn’t take questions. This irked a lot of attendees–Tom Raftery renamed the conference ‘Le Week’, though I think he means ‘Le Weak’. [...] [...] Last year I spoke at Les Blogs, a European Web 2.0 conference that’s been renamed Le Web 3. At this year’s conference, la merde a frappe le ventilateur because two French presidential candidates were snuck into the schedule at the last minute. They spoke in French, and apparently didn’t take questions. This irked a lot of attendees–Tom Raftery renamed the conference ‘Le Week’, though I think he means ‘Le Weak’. [...]

]]> By: Ellee Seymour - MCIPR, PRESS CONSULTANT, JOURNALIST, POLITICAL AND PR BLOGGER. » Sarkovy hijacks Le Web 3 conference http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72764 Ellee Seymour - MCIPR, PRESS CONSULTANT, JOURNALIST, POLITICAL AND PR BLOGGER. » Sarkovy hijacks Le Web 3 conference Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:31:30 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72764 [...] One of the bloggers who attended, Tom Raftery describes the reasons: [...] [...] One of the bloggers who attended, Tom Raftery describes the reasons: [...]

]]> By: Tim Fierant » 100.000 weblogs! http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72533 Tim Fierant » 100.000 weblogs! Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:13:28 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72533 [...] You can leave a comment, or trackback from your own site. RSS 2.0 [...] [...] You can leave a comment, or trackback from your own site. RSS 2.0 [...]

]]> By: Paul Walsh http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72437 Paul Walsh Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:46:09 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72437 Dennis, you’re among the few who think of this conference in a positive light - but that's hardly surprising because you weren't there to witness things for yourself. Not only did the audience have to put up with French politicians, the panel participants had to reshuffle and merge with less than 10 minutes notice because of the severe disruption to cater the politics. They too were extremely unhappy. Personally, I’m delighted I attended the event, but only because I go to them to meet people in the corridor and to strengthen relationships with people I already know. Some of us had an issue with Loic as he didn’t seem to care about the Wi-Fi problems, laughing it off as something caused by gamers. So, it was actually a culmination of issues throughout the event that pissed almost everyone off. Dennis, you’re among the few who think of this conference in a positive light - but that’s hardly surprising because you weren’t there to witness things for yourself.

Not only did the audience have to put up with French politicians, the panel participants had to reshuffle and merge with less than 10 minutes notice because of the severe disruption to cater the politics. They too were extremely unhappy.

Personally, I’m delighted I attended the event, but only because I go to them to meet people in the corridor and to strengthen relationships with people I already know.

Some of us had an issue with Loic as he didn’t seem to care about the Wi-Fi problems, laughing it off as something caused by gamers. So, it was actually a culmination of issues throughout the event that pissed almost everyone off.

]]> By: LeWeb3: the Babel effect | blog.forret.com http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72417 LeWeb3: the Babel effect | blog.forret.com Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:27:48 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72417 [...] I’m not hoping more dramatic things will happen in this saga. I can’t help but feel bad for Loic too, he has been working on this event for months and now it’s turned ugly in his face. I just don’t think I will be attending any LeWeb4 (or LeWeek4, as Tom calls it). Conferences like Reboot (Denmark), SHIFT (Portugal) and LIFT (Switzerland) look like a much better platform for the topics that interest me. Also, I will probably organize new “Barcamp Brussels” editions in 2007. [...] [...] I’m not hoping more dramatic things will happen in this saga. I can’t help but feel bad for Loic too, he has been working on this event for months and now it’s turned ugly in his face. I just don’t think I will be attending any LeWeb4 (or LeWeek4, as Tom calls it). Conferences like Reboot (Denmark), SHIFT (Portugal) and LIFT (Switzerland) look like a much better platform for the topics that interest me. Also, I will probably organize new “Barcamp Brussels” editions in 2007. [...]

]]> By: Tecnologia » Blog Archive » La caída de Le Web http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72409 Tecnologia » Blog Archive » La caída de Le Web Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:13:29 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72409 [...] LeWeb3 Fallout, de cómo el evento se ha convertido en un método de auto-promoción para Loic LeMeur en altas esferas. Al parecer es una opinión generalizada: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Mariano Amartino también escribe del tema. [...] [...] LeWeb3 Fallout, de cómo el evento se ha convertido en un método de auto-promoción para Loic LeMeur en altas esferas. Al parecer es una opinión generalizada: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Mariano Amartino también escribe del tema. [...]

]]> By: Monopoli elettorali -- , come lacrime nella pioggia. http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72327 Monopoli elettorali -- , come lacrime nella pioggia. Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:46:59 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72327 [...] Update: se masticate l’inglese, vale la pena dare un occhio anche a quello che dice a questo proposito Tom Raftery. [...] [...] Update: se masticate l’inglese, vale la pena dare un occhio anche a quello che dice a questo proposito Tom Raftery. [...]

]]> By: The All New Ewan’s Musings » LeWeb3 Fallout. As A Speaker, I’m Not Happy http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72265 The All New Ewan’s Musings » LeWeb3 Fallout. As A Speaker, I’m Not Happy Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:21:55 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72265 [...] Le Meur’s chosen candidate for the French Presidental race will not forget Le Meur’s contribution to his press. Le Meur’s accquaintances on the World Economic Forum will not forget Le Meur’s contribution to their visibility. The French TV and media will not forget Le Meur’s ability to provide them a story… to the detriment of the paying crowd behind the cameras wondering what the frak happened to their conference about the Web. The blogosphere will not forget Le Meur’s handling of Le Web 3. [...] [...] Le Meur’s chosen candidate for the French Presidental race will not forget Le Meur’s contribution to his press. Le Meur’s accquaintances on the World Economic Forum will not forget Le Meur’s contribution to their visibility. The French TV and media will not forget Le Meur’s ability to provide them a story… to the detriment of the paying crowd behind the cameras wondering what the frak happened to their conference about the Web. The blogosphere will not forget Le Meur’s handling of Le Web 3. [...]

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72235 Dennis Howlett Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:14:56 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72235 Damien - I am very real - some cock up on Tom's input - sorry - and I'm an the smae planet as you sir. Frederic said it and I'm guessing he knows Loic as well. But let's get it in perspective. It was the appearance of Sarkozy delivering party political stuff that tipped folk over the edge who were already pissed about the lack of wifi and speaker quality (the last one I'm not surprised given the list.) As I interpret it, Sarkozy did himself no favours because while he is a good English speaker, he was there for party political purposes and addressed the French crowd. Bad move but Loic's responsible. Frederik said 'naive' re: Loic. That's more like it. I don't see anyone jumping up and down about Peres. So how does it become a hijacked event? We're talking what - an hour? 2 hours out of a 2-day event? The politics may have been way off and totally inappropriate for that setting but the amount of over-reaction doesn't make sense to me. The bottom line is that until Loic speaks - no-one really knows. I'm the dumb schmuk who, having been before, knowing a number of the players in there and having watched it unfold took a different view. If I had been there, I'd have groaned and got on with it. As an aside: What is it with Les blogs - last year the Ben & Mena show, this year the Loic & Nikki gig. If there is a next year I'm defo going. Full scale riots? I wanna blog that live! LOL -:) Damien - I am very real - some cock up on Tom’s input - sorry - and I’m an the smae planet as you sir.

Frederic said it and I’m guessing he knows Loic as well. But let’s get it in perspective. It was the appearance of Sarkozy delivering party political stuff that tipped folk over the edge who were already pissed about the lack of wifi and speaker quality (the last one I’m not surprised given the list.)

As I interpret it, Sarkozy did himself no favours because while he is a good English speaker, he was there for party political purposes and addressed the French crowd. Bad move but Loic’s responsible. Frederik said ‘naive’ re: Loic. That’s more like it.

I don’t see anyone jumping up and down about Peres. So how does it become a hijacked event? We’re talking what - an hour? 2 hours out of a 2-day event?

The politics may have been way off and totally inappropriate for that setting but the amount of over-reaction doesn’t make sense to me.

The bottom line is that until Loic speaks - no-one really knows. I’m the dumb schmuk who, having been before, knowing a number of the players in there and having watched it unfold took a different view.

If I had been there, I’d have groaned and got on with it.

As an aside: What is it with Les blogs - last year the Ben & Mena show, this year the Loic & Nikki gig. If there is a next year I’m defo going. Full scale riots? I wanna blog that live!

LOL -:)

]]> By: bernard http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72231 bernard Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:05:45 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72231 <blockquote> Paul Walsh Dec 13th, 2006 at 5:35 pm Dennis Howlettq??? what planet are you on? I notice that the link doesn’t go anywhere.</blockquote> Paul, I think you;ll find its <a href="http://www.accmanpro.com/about/">this guy </a> Hold your horses there abit! Lets wait and see what Monseur Le Meur has to say. I am sure it will be enjoyable. b

Paul Walsh Dec 13th, 2006 at 5:35 pm

Dennis Howlettq??? what planet are you on? I notice that the link doesn’t go anywhere.

Paul,
I think you;ll find its this guy

Hold your horses there abit!

Lets wait and see what Monseur Le Meur has to say. I am sure it will be enjoyable.

b

]]> By: Twenty Major http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72228 Twenty Major Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:04:01 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/le-web-3-renamed-loic-pronounced-le-week/#comment-72228 <i>He could look after our rights and actually legislate against things like turning off comments! I can’t wait!</i> heh He could look after our rights and actually legislate against things like turning off comments! I can’t wait!

heh

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