Microsoft’s Windows Vista is a buggy product. Heck, even I found an unreported bug in it after playing with it for less than ten minutes!
I was talking to Microsoft folk in Madrid last week and I said to them that I couldn’t wait for Service Pack 2 for Vista to be released. Their response was - “You mean Service Pack 1?”
Nope, I meant Service Pack 2. Vista is so buggy that I don’t think Microsoft will address all the problems in their first Service Pack release. Like Windows XP, Vista will not be reliable until SP2.
The Microsoft guys weren’t impressed with my opinions of Vista!
It looks like SP1 is getting closer though. According to istartedsomething.com the Microsoft Downloads site had links to documentation for SP1 for OEMs - as of this writing the docs are still available.
Cool, now has anyone seen any sign of Vista Service Pack 2?
Haven’t seen it, nor do I want to see it. Tried vista out in the early testing days, was very glad to see the back of it. Very happy with my Debian/Solaris systems right now.
Not surprised that the Microsoft guys were not impressed, no person likes hearing their companies flagship product being bashed. It’s going to be quite a while before SP2 comes out anyhow…users should be prepared for a good few months of bugs and exploits.
It’s such a shame though that it’s got to this point where by people know, not think, that when a Windows Product launches it’s going to be full of bugs.
It’s such a shame really, and although I’m a very happy Mac User I do use Windows Vista as I think they have done a lot of good things.
But the Bugs present in it are frustrating and that’s probably explains why I’ve relegated it to strictly play Games only which to be honest it doesn’t do well.
All the games require twice the previous power to run and that’s simply down to such a heavy hogging OS.
I’ve used Windows machines since I can remember and truth be told none of this is a surprise anymore. Microsoft has always made the worst software products in the world. The Microsoft tax screwed the world and has most definitely, even to this day, retarded the growth of the digital world. I can only imagine that the same trait that has allowed so many people to care so little about the fate of the planet for so long is the same gene responsible for so many dispassionate idiots continually dishing out dollars for binary swill.
I have just got a new Dell desktop, nice dual-core 2, 2 gigs ram, Vista home.
Oh it runs slower than my Xp with 512ram and getting it to talk to old software and hardware is an absolute nightmare! It thought my printer was a USB hub!
Not happy with it at all. Its got to the point where im going to wipe the hard disk and install Xp again.
Basically, microsoft new the bugs where there, yet they released it full of them anyway because it had to meet deadlines. These sort of things get sorted out with the Mac OS X software beeing updated every few weeks and a microsoft Service pack takes an age to come out!
I leave you with this my freinds…
Get a mac.
SORRY BUT ITS CRAP…WITH A CAPITAL C.
I would love to abandon Microsoft, but I cannot because it would cost a fortune to buy all the programs that I need for my work in Mac format. Also I cannot find an alternative to Access.
Double boot for me is totally out of the question.
Perhaps Bill Gates should pay me for my time in using his really bad programs.
I’ve just bought vista and already im trying to get rid of it. Nearly every game i download doesn’t work and many of the ones such as battlefield 2 rarely work either. If anyone knows where i can find a good guide to swap to XP on a compaq presario 5065 could you please let me know as im sick of all the bugs and would like at least one game i try to work.
P.s. the main bugs i have found are in Norton (which doesnt work anymore on my computer) and in windows firewall (which i had to turn off).
people, every single microsoft release entails upgrading hardware to essentially top of the line… because everyone makes money when microsoft releases bloatware.
im camping XP until my computer wont boot anymore.
Vista is a disappointment to me! On the other hand you can get many games to work by a simple step. Right click on the game icon and choose properties. Then go to the compatibility tab. Check the boxes Run as admin. and run program in XP mode! This works for some games. Also there are patches out there! Yes, a pain, I agree. It is the only way that I know of for now….
Brad
I find the comments on this site boringly predictable by people who want to bash Microsoft for no reason other than they are the most successful software vendor in the world.
I have used Vista in both personal and business capacities for the last 6 months and I find both uses to be very reliable. Setup is a breeze, adding new devices simple etc.
On the personal side Vista MCE is by far the best Home Theatre GUI ever developed, vastly superior to Apple’s somewhat pathetic offering - just got TV have we - wow !
40 Million plus copies of Vista have now been sold (how does that compare to the “cool”, ultra reliable “better” offerings of Linux for the desktop (people are not serious about this are they ?) or Apple’s “make it a piece of furniture” approach.
You all go on about using Apple and Linux kit as if it is very cool and reliable and that Windows is just “too bad to use”. Well what about the new iPhone (even I liked that initially as I must admnit it looks fab). However when researched, it doesn’t do all the things you’d expect any decent phone to do (and what incidently all MS based Pocket PC phones do) like :
Bluetooth (so with Apple you have the coolest phone on the planet connected to a wire based headset - cool !!????)
Synchonization - Many Apple users have complained that they can’t synch an Apple phone to an Apple workstation for contacts (cool ???!!!)
Sound. My windows phone sounds great on headset or speakerphone, the iPhone sounds **it.
But do you criticise Mr Jobs (of course not). iPhone is a state of the art product, so you must expect these things ?
Well, Vista is a state of the art OS and will continue to kick Apple and the Unix communities arse. Sure it has issues, but put these in perspective and embrace it (you will have to !).
My name Himanshu,working as GPRS data support executive for Mobile Service provider,basically mobile handset settings and PC connectivity(internet).
But after launching of Vista its a very complecated for us to install any kind of mobile Software.No body can gives a proper information to the customer those people who are purchase Windows Vista.Every time its gives a different kind of error,installing any kind of software.
So please I requested to you(Microsoft) before you launch any O/S veryfy software compatability.
I don’t think the Microsoft guys should get bent out of shape about someone bashing there product, they know they released half an OS, they don’t expect people to not find bugs and dislike them?
I’m not gettin rid of my XP, i use my computer for gaming, and with XP i can get around 80 FPS continous, With plenty of ram and cpu freed up for the game, but vista is such a resource hungy OS its not the greatest choice of OS for gaming, or anything else. The fact that vista needs atleast 1g of ram for itself you have to have at least 2g for your computer to work well, and for games…3g, on another not the FPS on the same game, same hardware just using vista was degraded to about 40-60 FPS.
Not something you can get bent out of shape about.
Well i been running vista Home Premium for about 2 months now and to be honest i havent had many problems with it , at least none that i havent been able to resolve myself with a bit of patience . Of course ya have to figure out where everything is agsin but didnt take me long and it was quite fun discovering new things while doing just that. I was astonished at the vast difference between Vista and XP ,looking back to XP theres no comparison between that and Vista.Just my opinion mind ya
I don’t know why everyone else is having so many issues. I’m using Vista, and yes, I’ve had few problems, but they certainly weren’t bugs in Vista - they were compatibility issues caused by the fact that Vista has had to change in order to move forwards. All of them have now been fixed by either Googling for the solution or simply downloading a patch. If you’re not happy with progression, stick with Windows 95. In terms of programs and games not working, the vast majority of programs work perfectly OK OR have had updates released by the manufacturer. I suspect the people above haven’t looked for the updates. Do not confuse the incompatibly of your software with bugs in Vista. Just because your program does not work in Vista - it does not mean that there is a bug in Vista.
Yeh i have Windows Vista aswell, for people that talk about bugs i have everything a coomputer nightmare begins with for new stuff, Intel Quad Core Extreme, Sli 8800GTX’s 4GB XMS2 RAM, and Two Hard drives, yet if i can overcome half these bugs i think many others can, its the fact that something new has come out and people are too lazy to buy and learn about it that they wish to bad mouth it. Yes Microsoft brings out products that arnt perfect, but they cover you through the long run, SP3 still comming out for XP just to proove thats the case. If your into shiny bells and whistles try Linux Ubunto or any of the Linux line OS’s at the end of the day most of these people only have issues cause their computers arnt up to scratch period.
I testing right now the SP1 , 0 toruble, cpu run now with lower temperature, and Hard Disk too : )
All sistem its absolutly more reponsive.
hey lazy guys stops say vista is crap its aamazing product specially now after SP1 : ) and this sp its only a beta !!
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 x86 Build 6001.16659 Beta 1
: )
Have had to go back to using XP in the office for my new job. I’m hating every second of it. Constant freezes, unexplainable crashes and lots of rebooting are now a fixture in my daily routine.
I’m going to be straight forward on this one. I have NEVER added a reply to ANY forum of this nature from the beginning of the Internet up until now.
I have read years and years of posts on a variety of topics and have AlWAYS just kept my opinions to myself.
I’m giving this lil’ disclaimer because if I’m replying, you know something’s screwed up.
Vista has to be one of Microsoft’s worst Operating Systems. I am extremely disappointed with it. And all the while I’m blaming HP for a crappy computer. I’ve even gone to the point of blaming someone for hacking into my computer…Ha!
So it IS Vista? I didn’t want to believe it.
I have to admit, Vista really sucks. I’ll have to try SP1 for Vista and see if I have any success.
GONE!
Hey guys, i am currently running windows vista ultimate, it is the best thing since sliced bread, i have had absolutley no problem what so ever, accept the very first time i ran it, i didnt have a clue what to do but now i am so fluent in using this fantastic microsoft product, i look back at xp and think DAMMMMMMMMMN that OS was no where near as good as this one!!!!!!!, nice work guys at microsoft
hey i dont care what anyones said i HATE APPLE .. windows vista is the best os that i have used so far never cared for 95 98 me 2000. xp and vista i like. yes i can wait for sp2 to come out. i am very picky when i comes to my computers and they all have vista and working great
It would be nice to get a definition of good from someone that thinks Vista is not just another pile from MS. The last time MS wrote an OS from scratch it was the short lived junk yard ME. Why should I have to spend anytime at all getting basic things to work after paying up to $350 for an OS. At least with GNU/Linux only have to spend time troubleshooting the unusual or complex setups that one would normally see in Academic R&D and Enterprise environments. I, like many others, bought a PC with Visa on it and downgraded to XP because of not only the buggy nature of it but the fact that a 2ghz 2gig (RAM) Dual core was running like a sub Gigahertz P3. Binary swill for sure.
To the author: Such a shame you didn’t have a pic to post of the look on the MS guys faces.
hey,
like everybody else, i’m having windows vista problems. the mouse on my laptop stopped working and now I can only use an external mouse. anybody have any suggestions? I’m 99 percent sure this is a vista problem though I had the computer for 3 months before it happened. another thing, i loaded on office 2002 onto my vista machine an word crashes an awful lot, suppose that’s cause they want you to buy office 2007? anybody had similar experiences? thanks
What Vista boils down to is a resource hog. I could give a s**t less about a flashy looking desktop, I want an OS that performs. So far Vista has only proved to be a disappointment and the worst OS I’ve ever used.
vista will eventually come up to par macs are to expensive thats why they price os so cheaply . i will wait for windows 7 codename vienna
iVE HAD VISTA FOR5 MONTHS OR SO, & IVE COME TO LIKE IT,YES IT MAY NOT BE ‘UP TO SCRATCH’, BUT DID’NT WE HAVE ALL THIS WITH XP WHEN IT WAS 1ST RELEASED?
@richard - Macs are the same price or cheaper than similarly priced PCs - when is the last time you priced one?
Vista is such a bad OS. I bought a laptop with it and couldn’t run any software that was a year old practily. I ended up bringing it back after I had it a week and couldn’t get the system to shut down! Buy XP again until they get it right. DUH! we put out a product that doesn’t work!
Vista sucks balls!!!!!! well it sucked on my pc anyways, but my pc is good as and had all of the right drivers etc. It just didn’t run me games properly. I wonder why WCG world cyber games even bothers with using windows vista ultimate to run their games on. Bloody useless, i might consider getting vista around……say…..SP 100
I have been using Windows Vista home premium, since I bought my hp Quad Core processor desktop,aqbout 4 months ago. I have not had 1 problem yet, I think its fantastic, what I think most the problem is, is with manufacturers not keeping up and making the drivers and whatnot for vista. That is the only problem I have found. Windows Vista is a decent product, and has alot to offer. Everything else just needs to catch up to it. Thanks for letting me express my opinion.
I made a snap purchase of a new budget PC in a hurry as my old, cutom built XP SP2 system suffeed a hard disk failure.The new system came with Vista Home Basic installed.
I am now trying to ressurect my old PC and am willing to PAY for a genuine copy of XP to install.
I detest Vista.
I have had to unplug the graphics tablet as the whole system kept freezing for up to 40 seconds at a time every 5 minutes or so until I removed all peripherals other than the mouse and keyboard.
This is a 1GB RAM pc but it there is still time to make a cup of tea and read the papers each time I apply a change to any graphic over 500k in size. Its not the PC or the software - its the OS hogging all the resources and tying the graphic card RAM up with its fancy, but useless pretty buttons.
Vista looks great, and your Auntie will probably love using it for web surfing and email as its so pretty - but as a serious tool its a complete waste of time so far.
I’m hoping the service Pack will address the ridiculous resource consumption, cos if not, I’d rather spend my money on XP than buying more RAM and better graphics card just to allow Vista to look pretty….without any return for me.
I have an HP pavillion dv6000, 2 GB ram, dual intel core, Vista Home premium. The OS is heavy, uses about 1GB of ram, but is very stable and responsive, not perfect, but overall I’m very happy with it.
Bought new Dell Vostro 1500 with Vista Home Basic. Ran ever so slow, so I added 2 GB RAM. Worked better, but is incompatible with everything. Spent three hors last night with a Microsquish person in India trying to fix my problems after trying to install Office 2007. No luck. even Microsquish can’t fix Vista trying to run their own software! The dealer offered to let me swap for a machine with XP. I’m doing it ASAP.
i gotta agree with jamie:
Quote: I leave you with this my freinds…
Get a mac.
I hate Vista with a vengence!! I can’t even download itunes 7.5 because of a scripe error 2738 - but when I try to install the script it won’t do that either. I can’t syncronise my PDA because the device driver won’t install. I am seriously thinking about stripping it out and putting in XP. I would be embarrassed to have released this Operating System.
SP1 is a let down…
I have been running SP1 RC1 from MSDN for a week now. The performance improvements were minor at best. Working with moderately large files in Vista is still a tedious experience. The networked share and ‘over the wire’ file performance is still slower than XP.
Mabey SP2 will _actually_ start to improve things?
I feel sorry for the actual Vista developers… it must be a cluster Fu%K behind the scenes at Redmond.
hey, I have vista it works for me. so for those gys that thingk that vista is crap. they have not gave it a long to be out. or to use it in games or in work aps.if your moues is dead. you need to replace it.it is not the os fallt.oh ah for gys who like bitch about windos or any thing at has to do with computers. need to be pashint with it.
this is for the stuped people. if you be pashint with the new os .then lets talk about me. that was crap. all the prolems that you could go wrong did go wrong. so if you compear me and vista. there is no compearason with vista. so if people are going to pash ms. then they are all asstalkers.I’m sure that sp1 is going fix the most comein prolmes. but it ms about 5to6 years fix the prolmes with xp. it still has prolmes.
People I have been using vista ultimate for about 6 months now.. and frankly its the best os ever made.The only os which keeps speeding up as you use it. It is reverse for other os including xp.
Areo is fantastic.People are having problems cause their configuration does not stand up to vista. You would not be happy running xp with pentium1 and 128mb RAM would you?? So how can you expect performance from vista with p4 and 512 ram?? Its a new os with newer hardware requirements…
So all you cheapsters dont blame vista, instead blame your hardware…
If you have all the updates installed there is no chance in hell you would face any problems..
Hehe….the biggest reason fo using Sp2 is that you can use it on a MAC OS X Leopard. (unlike SP1)
Hey Guys,
You know whats wrong with your Vista its YOU being stuck with the XP problems that were fixed.
1. First of all activate automatic updates unlike XP the software is perfect and doesnt ever hog the machine.
2.Look for updates/solution for your software. I’m using Win 95/98/XP software DAILY without any prob to say the truth Vista made software give me more trouble than XP ones.
3.If theres a nonresolvable problem send an email to the software publisher.
4.If that doesnt work look for other software that does the same thing.
5.ULTIMATELY don’t be lazy in 1 month i got a rhythm and i made everything work perfectly much better than i ever managed in XP after 2 years.
Try these tips they work you have to move on! XP ever sucked it was NEVER near what Vista is after you spend some time with it.
I must be the exception. I have two high end gaming computers and one laptop at home all running Vista connected also by wireless to an XBOX 360 Media Extender. We have a ton of games, all run fine.
Yeah vista for me has been awesome me and my friend always joke i got the broken version no problems or compatibility issues, and upgrade to ultimate fixes a lot of stuff too.
Im not sure what everyone is talking about.. I’ve now used Vista for about 6 months now and besides Internet Explorer restarting once in a while, i haven’t had any problems with it at all! I’m using a Toshiba laptop with 2GB ram, 1.83GHz, with many gadgets, and i still have enough RAM to run music, Java, and many other things at the same time!!
Have been using Vista Business on a Core Duo Dual Core e6700 2.66 Ghz overclocked to 3.13 Ghz with 4 Gig DDr800 Ram and it is outclassed by my backup Pentium 4 Running XP with 1 Gig DDR 400 Ram and 2.4 Gig on a single Core… Now if Vista hasnt got something to do with that then my Fifteen years of PC experience musnt mean much.
Microsoft needs to spend more time getting their operating systems sorted or people like me who have been loyal for 10 to 15 years will move to Apple or Linux operating systems for peace of mind and the guarantee of a smooth and reliable experience…
Bill.. Spend a little less time at the foundation and get Microsoft Sorted again…
You guys bashing vista are only doing it because it makes you feel like you know what your talking about. The general consensus around ignorant users is that if vista isn’t working out downgrade or buy a mac….what? are you serious. Did you see the word “downgrade” it really is a downgrade, xp is no where near as good as vista and vista is only in the preliminaries of its service packs. Every new software that comes out now needs to be patched up, games need to be patched up and os’ need to be patched up, when you’re growing up you do something dumb and your mother needs to patch you up. And macs…I hear leopard is having problems, good, people should start pushing mac virus’ I’m so fed up of this pretentious mac and linux user attitude towards windows.
Vista is not at all buggy, patch it up and turn off all that bs which hogs your resources and you’ll be able to run whatever game you feel willing to run.
And if you laptop mouse stopped working, instead of blaming vista for something that’s definitely vista’s problem pick up another forum thread and ask for help.
Buy vista, it’ll be pwning xp very very soon.
In response to Brandon-
I’d rather keep XP until vista pwns it. No use installing it and wasting money (the price will ultimately fall in a while) if it sucks compared to XP right now.
I agree, OS’s need to be patched up, and Vista isn’t patched up to my standard, so I’m going to stick with my Linux, Mac, or XP until it does match up to my standards. At least they don’t randomly freeze up when you turn off your computer, shut off your wireless after standby, screw up your built in “fully compatible with windows vista” webcam after standby (forcing a reboot), slow your computer down disproportionately to the new functions it gives.
Microsoft will eventually patch Vista, but the process is so frickin slow compared to Mac’s constantly flow of updates.
I’d rather get one bug fixed at a time than have a big bugfix fest after waiting for two years getting tired of the same bug over and over again.
even if it was free it would be a peace of crap, but at least free. It very immoral that ms charges for such basic software, yes definitely ms has delayed and retarded technological development of the human race because of its greedy desires. I would never never never ever buy a ms product, thanks god there is piracy, is the only way to fix this. I don’t care if its illegal, because its moral, logical and human.
Gates and their capitalist peers have very undeveloped, un-evolutioned, closed minds. By pirating his products I am just fixing things a little.
I’ve just been speaking with a mate in Singapore who has just had his new gift - a laptop from his Dad - fried by Vista. Another mate in Australia IM’d me asking could he help with his Vista infested laptop - I checked up online to find that Vista sound drivers are often trouble with his model of laptop. Every person I know who has installed Vista on their laptop has regretted it.
Man I think I’ll stick with my lovely, stable, regularly updated, virus free, community supported Linux (Ubuntu 7.10 at the moment). It’s not perfect, but bug fixes are rapid and stable development of the system just as fast.
I left MS behind and never looked back…
magu, you’re an idiot. Yup, an idiot.
Magu’s has some morality issues to solve, Scott let’s just leave him out of the rational loop and pretend it’s never happened.
I much rather appreciate answers like Joe, with rational supported arguments.
Stealing is moral?
What a champion
Dont know i got vista on my dual core with 4gs of ram and a brand new ati hd 3870 and theres no lag and games well ,all i have to say is WOW!!! and go WINDOWS YAAY
I bought a laptop with out an OS, and installed a clean copy of Vista on it. It’s running fine, even with only 1 gb of RAM. It will slow down if you’re running stuff that’s memory/graphics heavy, but I don’t normally run that kind of stuff, so it doesn’t happen often.
The issues I had with Vista are when I went to upgrade an old Dell. I had to find a zillion driver patches, and it still didn’t work well. I reverted that back to XP, and it was fine.
I think it’s best to start fresh with Vista, rather than trying to upgrade. (And Dell’s suck, so…*wink*)
It is very slow! Really! I got my 512 computer and it runs much faster than this Vista Laptop with AMD 4ghz i have. That’s not even realistic. When did you see a 512 mb/ 2ghz AMD ( my old computer) beat a 3gb ram/ 4ghz processor ( my new laptop)… ITS NOT EVEN REALISTIC PEOPLE, THE LAPTOP IS TEEN TIMES BETTER THAN THE OLD ONE I HAVE, AND THE LAPTOP IS STILL WORSE THAN THE DESKTOP I HAVE.
Horrible Windows, horrible.
Btw its so sick to tweak your computer to play a freaking game. i have never tweaked my computer once on my old one and it plays pretty much any game better than the vista… and my old one is even XP HOME EDITION! Damn… total failure
Don’t get a mac, I advise you make your own computer from scratch and use Windows xp Pro (service pack three is coming soon).
The mac pc’s i have used in the past didn’t give me any bang for my buck, but my old dell running just xp home sp2 that i have had since 2001 is still running and can play almost every game that was released before 2007.
After looking at Dell, Gateway, Apple, and HP I believe the wisest choice would be to just go and build your own computer.
(from buying the software and hardware from just newegg.com and tigerdirect.com, you can save over 500 bucks with relative ease even without 1337 computer knowledge).
As for Vista, my college gives out free copies of vista business so i am just going to do that and Xp pro (with linux of course *wink*) but I use vista on my parents computer when I am messing around with linux on mine. They have a dell with 1gig of 667 mghz DDR2 ram and a intel core 2 due 2.133 ghz 2 MB shard catche and a Nvidea 7900 256MD DDR2 and it runs smoothly, but lacks performance in terms of a gaming PC.
And as for my farewell, Dell does pwn, and as of now is the best pre built pc company that I vouch for and have first hand experience with, but a homemade pc is the best. (and MAC’s suck!!! idc what u say. STFU. LINUX FTW!!!!!!! h4×0r 4 life)
Hi people
Every where I go people seem to hate Vista, including myself until recently, that is after setting up more than I care to remember I’ve been through all the problems from un supported hardware to software incompatibilities via inherent bugs with Microsoft’s own applications like office 2003 and 2007, yet after all that I’ve grown to like it more than XP, XP SP2 has been the best OS that MS have released, ever, until now, or perhaps it would be better to say until Vista SP1 or 2.
The things I like most about vista is the flexibility, yes there are a lot of bugs and yes it’s quite an adjustment to get used to the extended and slightly changed GUI, but after a while you grow to love it. For me it’s very much like the transition from 2000 pro to XP SP2, at first your not so sure and you stumble around trying to do things that you could do in seconds on XP, but if you persist you eventually come around.
Things that spring to mind are the ability to change the volume of any app as opposed to all at once, interconnectivity is made a doddle, digital communications such as online meetings and VoIP are easier with the new interfaces, windows mobile interaction has hugely improved, if you run a domain then you have a further 2000 policies to take even more control of your network.
That said, yes vista is a pile of bugs but the bugs vs the advantages in my opinion loose, if you configure your vista correctly and set it up to operate as fast as possible which does mean removing the sidebar and streamlining the gui so its not running AERO, remove all the apps you don’t need, you’ll be fine.
This does however mean obtaining all new software, most firewall and antivirus are not compatible unless you have the latest versions, legacy software even run in compatibility mode isn’t guaranteed to work, but most games I have managed to get working, and for me CS works faster on my vista machine than it did on XP.
All in all I think Vista has potential to be the next great operating system that the globe will end up adopting. I do agree that it does need more power to operate and perform like your XP machine but if you don’t mind removing the bells and whistles then not everyone will need to upgrade their hardware, The thing I can’t understand is why they didn’t rewrite the kernel to be more efficient, they didn’t even attempt to make it faster, watching a few webcasts about the subject they seem to imply that the next operating system code named “windows 7†is a from the ground up rewrite which they are currently working on but wont be released for another 3 or so years.
Anyway enough ranting, I’m all for change and keeping ahead and I think MS have slacked a bit in releasing an operating system that clearly wasn’t ready but I can see the improvements and advantages of vista I like and prefer it to XP. I just hope Vista SP 1 does turn out to be what everyone expects, a solution to the bugs !
cheers
All software I use in Vista works great. Vista has its annoyances, but I can deal w/ them. I won’t say it’sbad or good, just that I am pretty pleased so far.
Well, I be running a Vostro 1500 (laptop, duel intel, 2gb ram, nVidia GeForce 8400 128mb, 160gb hd, shiny screen), with XP on my internal drive and Ubuntu Gutsy (until upgraded) on my external WD Passport. My friend has an Acer lappy running Vista Home Basic. My youth pastor is a Mac-Man with half a dozen of um. I have used each OS to familiarity, and I can certainly say that Vista wins my limited dollar, despite a few not-so-nice bugs (Ubuntu is free, so I will naturally use it until it’s makers quit). I think that, based on the words of friends running Vista Ultimate, that I will upgrade to this OS a little after SP1 (waiting, of course, until the updates fix lingering bugs in the service pack).
Now, for certain, each OS has it’s own offerings, and one would be a fool to ignore them. If I was given, even at a good discount, a computer or disk with any one of them, I would gladly use the OS for it’s strengths. Certainly, Video/Sound people have an OS built seemingly custom to their workflow, Gamers have Windows in all it’s shooting-stabbing-flying-awesome splendor, and Average Joes have Linux and Windows (Macs might be pricy for an AJ), to do what they want with.
(One thing that all computer users must watch out for, no matter which os, is the snob’s attitude many fanboys and discontents seem to develop. I do not think that referring to the largest software company in the world as ‘Micros**t’, ‘Microsquash’, ‘Bloatsoft’, ect helps anyone. It only proves snobbery, and provides a good reason for someone to stay away from what the aggressor uses for fear of becoming a jerk.)
After reading every post on this site (to date obv) for the hope of a unambiguous answer on the topic of whether or not vista is worth the bother, I have come to the conclusion that other than going out there and buying it, there is no way of knowing.
I am currently on my girlfriend’s laptop; it’s a Compaq with a gig of ram, and a 1.8 processor I believe. Its vista home premium. I was not there when it was first installed but since having used it seems fine. All the aero and sidebar features are turned off and we closely monitor the programs that run at start up (can be done through windows defender if you didn’t know, which you probably did).
Perhaps it’s the quality of the components used, and the systems that is affecting people experience. I think the key points to remember are:
• As time progresses so does technology, looking back the power of systems were laughable to what they are now,it’ll be a short time and a quad core processor with 4gb of ram will seem minute, and “windows 7″ will be the new thorn in everyone’s side, and how vista runs amazing on such “little ram” and processing power.
• You’re not “cool” for using l33t
• Being a fan boy isn’t “cool”
• And being open minded is important
Besides if you want to game online it seems your stuffed soon anyway cause of windows live.
It seems that your willingness to be influenced by the popular trend of hating what is new from ms os wise has got the better of you.
Just chill.
I’ve spent weeks just trying to get my xp software running on
vista, the “backwords compatability option” only works about 30%
of the time; if I wasn’t unemployed at the moment with xtra time
to play with this I would have returned this laptop as “broken”,
( 1 g Ram, dual ahthlon, 1.8 G speed ); I could see it in time
running on a “maxed out” home desktop uP, but forget about reliability on a laptop or for business.
Just came about this site today, and to be honest I question if some of you really have used Vista?
I have a Dell Precision 530, from 2002, running Vista Business (1.8 GHz Xeon and 1.0 GB of memory). This was obviously an upgrade from XP SP2, and virutally no issues at all (I have had some video card driver issues, but again, this is an almost 6-year old computer).
I also have a Dell Precision 390, just over a year old, running Vista Ultimate. Once again, fantastic.
My work computer is a brand new (in January) Latitude XT, running Vista Ultimate, and it also has been great.
Three installations of Vista and I would recommend it to anyone. All the “stories” of slow-downs and crashing… I have my doubts…
Honestly i have been using it for a year.It works fine.I also noticed in a post someone said couldnt play BF2 I play that game on my system.I also race online with it and do lots of other stuff.I have many XP and 2000 programs running on it.It took me about one month to figure it out after reading some documentation.It has been good to me.
Don, grand deal with your success! About your comments on the validity of other’s stories, we must remember that while there may be a thousand computer set-ups that are running Vista without a huge hitch, there are thousands of different setups at a minimum running the same OS that will have problems. We must not forget that one user’s experience will vary from another’s. (Your installations probably don’t call the same functions that crash other’s compys, for example). Mind, I am not berating you… I have a feeling that my computer (Vostro 1500, see my above comment) will function the same as yours when I upgrade to Ultimate. I am more or less responding to all who shared your sentiments on various blogs and forums I have read. Peace, dude.
Wow… This whole comment thread seems to be filled more of less with Idiots. I am doubtful most of you have ever tried Vista outside of the leaked Beta’s way back when. Yeah, maybe Vista isn’t the greatest thing ever, but it’s no where near as shit as you all seem to claim it is.
I have been using it everyday since day one (by choice) and also use a couple Linux Distro’s and Mac’s when at work. Although it is different to them, I wouldn’t for a second claim it is worse.
I tried Vista, i’m trying but it really fails…
The company i work for bot a lot of laptops and notebooks, diferents hardware, but all came with the same software… the result?
Lates change the operating system in ALL of them, bugs, bugs, and lots of bugs and some simple can’t work.
As a QA engineer in the hardware world…(thank God I avoided the S/W geeks..
)..and with my little experience please allow me to comment the following.
For all of you that think that problems are not present in the Vista product or any windows product in the past you may want to rethink this twice after a thorough evaluation of the synthesis and development within the actual process and testing of such a monstrous ammount of software code. The fact is that a portion of the time things will work as promised.
The problem though is that this will not be true all the time. Even if only 1% of the users are facing bugs (minor or major) in a total sales figure of 50.000.000 to 100.000.000 million copies this will still leave a lot of people unsatisfied.
Try not to think in terms a few people here a few over there..its DEAD WRONG..Instead try to think tens of thousands wrestling with their PCs and multiply it by a 100!
so now you’ve got the picture. (Hopefully)
..but still this product will be presented by the marketing divisions (like they have a choice) as a very succesfull product that works 99% of the time..at least!
..the truth has many views..depends from which angle you look at it.
As for me I think I prefer to read a few books instead..and stay with XP Pro SP2 +150 patches. After all Windows OS is like wine…It gets better with time…!
(Some more interesting details here)
http://bexhuff.com/2007/12/why-does-vista-suck-blame-automated-testing#comment-2503
I never post to discussions but this i can’t pass up. i just bought a new laptop for work, it came with vista, none of my embedded systems dev software will even work on it due to a vista stack overrun bug (still not fixed 4 months later of updates) i even went to the extreme of buying a LEGIT copy of XP only to find out that the motherboard manufacturer didn’t produce any XP drivers for that pc. so now i have a laptop that i haven’t even fired up but twice in the last 4 months thanks to MS crapware!
When you buy a new game for the PC, you don’t expect it to be backward compatible with much older hardware than is at the forefront. The leading gaming titles DO NOT backdate their graphics solutions in most cases. Nobody complains about this. I’m running a DX9 gcard and as such, I can’t play GX10 game. I don’t complain and nor does anyone else.
When you buy a brand new OS, you expect it to be backward compatible with the most dated of hardware and software. The leading software developers are expected to make older versions of software work with brand new technology. Every complains if these two things don’t happen.
Get real people. Wake up and smell the bacon. You can’t have it both ways. Microsoft are releasing another SP for XP for those of you sad enough to want to stay on old hardware and for the rest of us, we get Vista that WILL dominate the OS market in a years time.
Roll back time - you are the guys who said exactly the same thing when XP first came out! You are all just Ludites…
Hi,
I have to agree in part with the Microsoft bashing, yes its true that Vista is not the shiney star that Microsoft were hoping for simply because it was launched to early and the SDK’s for it were not released to hardware vender so that they could make all the drivers etc for existing hardware on time. Saying that though, after each update (they are pretty much daily at the moment) you do notice performance issues so the updates are clearly doing something. I have Vista on both my desktop and my laptop but to be honest, its runs better on the laptop that it does on the desktop but then again that could be down to my desktop being custom built from scratch and my laptop being a vanilla Fujitsu laptop. I will stress a few things though, Vista is in no way shape of form anywhere near as good as Apple OS X Leopard…Fact! even with the arrival of service pack 1 its still not a completing product. Leopard is faster, better looking, no where near as buggy or even as secure. Apple keep trying to reinvent the wheel with every major OS X update and they do a damn fine job or it - Windows just rehash the kernel from the previous OS and add some spit and polish.
I dont think that from reading various reports on the net, Vista will be around for very long, it seem like a bit of a stop gap between XP and Windows 7 (when ever that decides to launch) I dont think Microsoft are really hiding that fact either. still, with Windows XP support ending and the software being pulled from Vendors within the next 6 months it looks like Vista is what you are going to have to use like it or lump it. If you want to keep Windows then its Vista, if you a person who enjoys tinkering and seing how things with then its a Linux based system for you or if you are a more creative person who thinks outside the box and like a product to just work then its Apple.
Thanks for reading.
Scotty2hotty
I like vista, all the unsupported hardware problems have give me an excuse, and a justification to she who must be obayed, to buy new hardware *wink*
first of all.. hello everybody…i will try to state my oppinion on this matter..i am not gonna bash any os because they are all different…first off all i am a windows user just because i had windows 95 on my first computer and i got used to windows products…i do not like ms especially, i also think that linux(ubuntu,xubuntu and kubuntu and other linux os)are great also because first of all they are free and secondly,because they work with old and not very powerfull computers (i recently tried xubuntu on a pentium 3 800 mhz whith 256 of ram and it worked,although the resources where very “consumated” by the os , i liked the interface of the OS(being developed in 2007) and the speed of the OS(for 256 mb ram it was good, although it ate about 220 mb of ram,which was at the limit), i also like the fact that the drivers were also installed automatically,the only things that i don’t like about linux is that it works hard with the programes wich work nativelly under windows, but thats not blame of linux…just that i hope that the guys that are developing linux cuold try to make it more easily tot install common programes, and thats about all that i could come up with now), with apple i had no experience, only because in my country it was not promoted for a long time and only recent it has started to be promoted, but i heard good things about it and mac os x…but all of you should be more objective when you give your oppinions…just think that although in america,canada and other countries where mac computers and OS have been sold for a long time, you find parts and programes quite easily, in other countries finding components and software for macs is almost imposibble, and thats why many people have turned to windows softwares,and thats a shame because windows need good competition to make a good os,and that competition in many parts of the world is very low or could not be at all…and at the last i would like to say my oppinion about windows products..i have tried out all the windows OS exept millenium and the windows servers…i have a pentium 4 dual core 2,66 ghz and 1,25 gb of ram and an ati radeon x850 256 gb of ram running vista ultimate sp1 running on it, and by now i haven’t encountered many problemes with it…the drivers for the audio and network boards came through windows update which i though was very good and the drivers for the video board i hod on the cd that came with it(but i also got an update for the video drivers also through windows update)…the system runs pretty well ,it eates 500-550 mb of ram with winamp playing music, opera with 2-3 tabs oppened, strong dc oppened and deamon tools oppened and kaspersky antivirus on… i am preatty pleased with it and think that it an improvement regardin windows xp.Windows xp is old… and thats why it doesn’t eat a lot of resouces…and you all now what was said about the xp when it was first released…i also have a friend that had windows xp sp1 installed on it…and it was oufull…the whole system survived for about 3 months or so,after wich he installed SP2 fresh on it, and he still runs on it now but he is experiencing problems with it and is thinghing about switching to vista home basic….windows vista will be a top OS in the next 2-3 years(maybe it will have SP3 by then)…and i thing it will be even better if it had more competion from other OS manufacturers like Apple(exept linux because it is free)…
i,ve been using vista home premium now about 1 week had no problems what so ever seem like ppl in hear havn’t got a clue what they are talking about the diffrence between xp and vista is the codes fir xp are part win 98 and part me/nt. vista has all new codes and in a lot bigger xp is only 200mb and xp is like 3gb to rum xp effetivly u need at least 1gb of ram and a up todate mother board and graphic card and where xp is only 2D vista is 3D. yes vista had alot of bugs in it but microsoft have work very quickly to fix those bugs and service pck 1 is due for release on the 18th marth from the download centre
Hi everyone I’m going to take a middle of the road point of veiw because I think it’s only fair
Pros:
It looks better than XP (XP looked like it was made by Fisher Price)
There are alot of new monitering bits and bobs
You can very easily tweak the performance by disabling flashy bits of the OS (something only people with a decent knowledge of computers could do before)
Leading on… its user friendly and this is key considering it is used by EVERYONE …pretty much!
Cons:
It hogs a heck of alot of resources (but come on its called progress, even new games take more resources too! Its not like you could run XP on a PC built for win98 without it slowing down so if you dont have the hardware dont get Vista, if you want vista… upgrade!)
Compatibility Issues… so what (again this is stupid because its like wanting an N64 game to run on a SNES! You cant expect MS to build its new OS around old games… besides there ARE patches))
There are bugs (do a search on XP and look at some of the forums and some of the old posts about how everyone was soooooooo anoyed at how rubbish XP was when it came out! Now most people agree its better than any of the previous OSs)
So to summarise… yes MS have released a buggy, resource munching OS but it is a step in the right direction and we are getting updates to download all the time to fix the bugs, and hardware is always going to need replacing so just do it! And if you dont like it for whatever reason don’t get it! Or if you buy a new computer with it preinstaled… downgrade, im sure someone will lend you an XP disc or you can even do it through your manufacturer (I know sony do!) or even ask microsoft for your money back and return the disc.
Hello everyone.
First, a little about myself. I have been a PC Support technician in various capacities for the last 15 years. From desktop support to network and server support, domain admin etc. I’ve been in pretty much all the positions other than as a programmer. I now am self employed and take care of several small-mid size businesses for all of their technical (not just IT) needs. I say this only to suggest that I have actual real world experience to draw an opinion from.
I generally don’t comment on boards like this because it is usually done only by the extremists in the community. People who’ve had reason to complain will complain - people who don’t have reason to complain generally don’t search out forums to throw out their opinions.
I’d like to say to all people having problems with their Vista that I’m sorry you are having these issues as Vista can be a great experience when it runs nicely. That being said - I have had my own issues with it as well. It is far from perfect, but it will get better. There were some comments on here that essentially said ‘Give Windows time to mature’ - that each version needs to be released, then mature and finally become that rock of sturdiness we want.
Microsoft has the challenge of making an OS for everyone - which generally gets overlooked by the vocal minority. It’s easy to say “Mac rules” and is so much more stable. If MS locked down it’s driver database to only specific hardware and just said ‘No’ to supporting XX device you happened to pick up… then it’s development would be cut into fractions of time. The stability would be second to none. But if MS did this, then they’d have FAR MORE people whining because XX device won’t work. Apple has created this myth of stability by supporting a far smaller base.
If Linux is your kick, then that’s cool. But only begin to complain about MS vrs Linux when Linux approaches reality on the desktop market. I have used Redhat, Debian, Mandrake, Ubuntu, Solaris and more…. just thinking of the list and time spent gives me a headache. Hell, I’ve used BeOS (that one was pretty cool, but short lived) and I’ve had different experiences with all of them. I’m not going to say any was better than Vista or XP - they were different.
What I’m trying to say is that people underestimate the chore MS has in front of them and they are trying to push technology forward, but for every 10 people that have the perfect experience, there are 10 who don’t and there are 10 who like the bells and whistles and 10 who don’t and 10 who hate change and 10 who don’t…. and the vocal minority always ends up on boards like this one.
Vista is a decent OS and will mature to be a very good OS. This is going to happen. Complaining on boards and trying to sound like someone who ‘knows’ what’s going on in the world generally only does the opposite.
Here’s a fun question for you to all ponder: If you were in charge of MS and had to worry about what 100 million people world wide wanted on their computers… what would you do? If you had to make it work with every last piece of hardware and software ever made - what would you do? If you tried your best and invested billions - yes BILLIONS of dollars into creating your products to suit as many people and combinations of hardware and software as are out there… what would YOU do? It’s so easy to throw the blame around without thinking of the nearly impossible challenges they face. Get real folks…
My $0.02… /rant
RE: (how does that compare to the “coolâ€, ultra reliable “better†offerings of Linux for the desktop (people are not serious about this are they ?)
PAULM obviously hasnt tried any other operating system than M$ if he thinks it is state of the art. He’s obviously never heard of the word “compatibility” OR ACID2, W3C, OpenOffice. Not to mention XGL, LookingGlass as the most incredibla eadvancements (and been functioning on Linux for years) in 3D desktops. He obviously is also unaware of GNU or “Community based development” as the ONLY way forward to produce quality work - (Not revenue driven). I think he just looks at the funky icons windows always spend most of their energy trying to get right!
Mate, if your going to make a comparison against Linux, make sure you know what the above words mean above before posting a comment. Other Vista users had discernable comments to make - quite frankly unlike yours!
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Nobody is forcing you to buy Vista.
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Nobody is forcing you to buy Vista.
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Hahahaha…this is the best joke ever!!!
You are either MS employed or completely ignorant of business practices. I have no intensions to be mean but if the case is that you are ignorant stop writing now! If you are MS employed then you are trying to fool us because you know the all preinstalled versions are being sent with Vista installed because MS forced the OEMs and cut the distribution of the XP OS.
The actual sales of the 6 possible choices for the customers are very limited compared to the (forced) OEM’..the versions I have seen around at homebuilt (desktop) PC’s are cracked. (NONE bought*) *(Only perhaps to burnt/melt it with a flamethrougher, or a molotov bomb)
Both interesting choices!
Anyway you are a joke either way and you make a fool of your self, PERIOD
QA-GR