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	<description>Tom Raftery, social media consultant, speaker, blogger and podcaster</description>
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		<title>By: CleverClogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPML Reader: OPML Auto-Discovery Extension for Firefox</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-117109</link>
		<dc:creator>CleverClogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPML Reader: OPML Auto-Discovery Extension for Firefox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2006-10-27: By Randy Morin&#8217;s request, after a lively discussion over on Tom Raftery&#8217;s I.T. views blog between Randy and Tom Morris, I&#8217;ve changed the type attribute to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2006-10-27: By Randy Morin&#8217;s request, after a lively discussion over on Tom Raftery&#8217;s I.T. views blog between Randy and Tom Morris, I&#8217;ve changed the type attribute to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Charles Morin</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-50203</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Charles Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What works and what's proper are two different things; text/x-opml works and text/opml xml doesn't. Screw standard bodies. You tell me when www.google.com validates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What works and what&#8217;s proper are two different things; text/x-opml works and text/opml xml doesn&#8217;t. Screw standard bodies. You tell me when <a href="http://www.google.com">http://www.google.com</a> validates.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-50185</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sterling. Oh, and in my comments where it says "xml opml" and so on, it really is a 'plus' sign between the two parts. See the Wikipedia article "XML and MIME" for examples. The problem we have is that though "x-opml" is stated in the OPML 1.0 specification, the registration of MIME types is something that is really rather complex. RFC 4288 specifies that XML standards ought to use a plus-xml naming, and strongly discourages names that are prefaced "x-". According to RFC 4288, the opml-plus-xml naming is better than x-opml. I'm also of that opinion, since it follows the precedent laid out by RSS, Atom and other XML formats. It is also possible for tools in the future to just look for plus-xml names in order to find XML of every variety.

As I've said before, I'm not in the business of setting standards - I'm in the business of building tools. My personal preference is towards opml-plus-xml because of the precedent of previous XML formats. Any tools I build will support both, and until there is a clear determination of which will stick, it is highly advisable for other toolmakers to do similarly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sterling. Oh, and in my comments where it says &#8220;xml opml&#8221; and so on, it really is a &#8216;plus&#8217; sign between the two parts. See the Wikipedia article &#8220;XML and MIME&#8221; for examples. The problem we have is that though &#8220;x-opml&#8221; is stated in the OPML 1.0 specification, the registration of MIME types is something that is really rather complex. RFC 4288 specifies that XML standards ought to use a plus-xml naming, and strongly discourages names that are prefaced &#8220;x-&#8221;. According to RFC 4288, the opml-plus-xml naming is better than x-opml. I&#8217;m also of that opinion, since it follows the precedent laid out by RSS, Atom and other XML formats. It is also possible for tools in the future to just look for plus-xml names in order to find XML of every variety.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, I&#8217;m not in the business of setting standards - I&#8217;m in the business of building tools. My personal preference is towards opml-plus-xml because of the precedent of previous XML formats. Any tools I build will support both, and until there is a clear determination of which will stick, it is highly advisable for other toolmakers to do similarly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sterling Camden</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-50124</link>
		<dc:creator>Sterling Camden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tom, I added my OPML to your site (cool browser, BTW).  Unfortunately, FeedDemon always sets the title to "FeedDemon Subscriptions".

In my previous comment, I meant "FeedDemon", not "FeedBurner".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tom, I added my OPML to your site (cool browser, BTW).  Unfortunately, FeedDemon always sets the title to &#8220;FeedDemon Subscriptions&#8221;.</p>
<p>In my previous comment, I meant &#8220;FeedDemon&#8221;, not &#8220;FeedBurner&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-50097</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I've been a bit lax in responding.

In terms of which I'm using - I'm using "text/xml opml" on my sites. I have little time for specifications, but I have a lot of time for working code. I asked a question about this privately a while back to some OPML folk (including Dave Winer) but had no response. I left it up to someone else to work out the details. As for what goes on my site, I will use what is most popular - and I will be extending my code soon to track what type attribute people are using.

The library that I am writing at the moment based on what I'm using at changes.opiumfield.com (which you guys should ping!) should accept all different varieties. I'm not sure whether it should be my responsibility to tell you what The Standard is. In fact, I think the person who could probably help us come to a consensus is Dave Winer - he has a lot of experience in ratifying these sorts of argument - a minefield I'd rather avoid.

According to the OPML 1.0 specification, there is no requirement on MIME type. There is a convention, based on what Radio UserLand did, to use "text/x-opml". The convention for using "text/opml xml" is based on the way that other XML formats have done - "xsl xml", "xhtml xml" etc.

As for Randy's suggestion of using a 'text' attribute - surely a 'title' right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;ve been a bit lax in responding.</p>
<p>In terms of which I&#8217;m using - I&#8217;m using &#8220;text/xml opml&#8221; on my sites. I have little time for specifications, but I have a lot of time for working code. I asked a question about this privately a while back to some OPML folk (including Dave Winer) but had no response. I left it up to someone else to work out the details. As for what goes on my site, I will use what is most popular - and I will be extending my code soon to track what type attribute people are using.</p>
<p>The library that I am writing at the moment based on what I&#8217;m using at changes.opiumfield.com (which you guys should ping!) should accept all different varieties. I&#8217;m not sure whether it should be my responsibility to tell you what The Standard is. In fact, I think the person who could probably help us come to a consensus is Dave Winer - he has a lot of experience in ratifying these sorts of argument - a minefield I&#8217;d rather avoid.</p>
<p>According to the OPML 1.0 specification, there is no requirement on MIME type. There is a convention, based on what Radio UserLand did, to use &#8220;text/x-opml&#8221;. The convention for using &#8220;text/opml xml&#8221; is based on the way that other XML formats have done - &#8220;xsl xml&#8221;, &#8220;xhtml xml&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>As for Randy&#8217;s suggestion of using a &#8216;text&#8217; attribute - surely a &#8216;title&#8217; right?</p>
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		<title>By: Sterling Camden</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-50011</link>
		<dc:creator>Sterling Camden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, my OPML was generated by FeedBurner, so that's Nick's opinion on the matter.  That said, Nick is usually pretty careful to get these types of things right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, my OPML was generated by FeedBurner, so that&#8217;s Nick&#8217;s opinion on the matter.  That said, Nick is usually pretty careful to get these types of things right.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49896</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy,

like James, I too am not a programmer, I simply copied the code from James' site and changed the uri.

Seeing sterling's comment above I decided to see what he as the developer of the WordPress plugin believes to be the correct syntax - Sterling's looks like:
&lt;code&gt;&lt;link rel="outline" type="text/x-opml" title="OPML" href="http://www.chipsquips.com/wp-content/uploads/dynamic/Myfeeds.opml" /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

So the Sterling, at least, agrees with you on the x-opml.

Don't know Tom Morris - hopefully James will come back on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy,</p>
<p>like James, I too am not a programmer, I simply copied the code from James&#8217; site and changed the uri.</p>
<p>Seeing sterling&#8217;s comment above I decided to see what he as the developer of the WordPress plugin believes to be the correct syntax - Sterling&#8217;s looks like:<br />
<code>
<link rel="outline" type="text/x-opml" title="OPML" href="http://www.chipsquips.com/wp-content/uploads/dynamic/Myfeeds.opml" /></code></p>
<p>So the Sterling, at least, agrees with you on the x-opml.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know Tom Morris - hopefully James will come back on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Charles Morin</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49868</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Charles Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you guide me to Tom Morris, so that I can correct at the source? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you guide me to Tom Morris, so that I can correct at the source? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rogers Cadenhead</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49857</link>
		<dc:creator>Rogers Cadenhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So far the only feedreader Iâ€™ve found that does not require saving an OPML file to something like opmlworkstation.com is newsgator."

Bloglines can be configured to automatically provide an OPML subscription list of the feeds you read (aside from the ones you've marked non-public):

&lt;a href="http://www.bloglines.com/export?id=rcade"&gt;http://www.bloglines.com/export?id=rcade&lt;/a&gt;

The "Reading List" icon in my blog's sidebar links to my Bloglines OPML, which stays current automatically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So far the only feedreader Iâ€™ve found that does not require saving an OPML file to something like opmlworkstation.com is newsgator.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bloglines can be configured to automatically provide an OPML subscription list of the feeds you read (aside from the ones you&#8217;ve marked non-public):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloglines.com/export?id=rcade">http://www.bloglines.com/export?id=rcade</a></p>
<p>The &#8220;Reading List&#8221; icon in my blog&#8217;s sidebar links to my Bloglines OPML, which stays current automatically.</p>
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		<title>By: James Corbett</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49814</link>
		<dc:creator>James Corbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Shouldnâ€™t the type attribute be â€œtext/x-opmlâ€??"

Should it be Randy? Tom Morris says it should be text/xml opml and since I'm not much of a programmer myself I'll leave you two debate it. Agreed though that there should be a Text attribute. It was sheer laziness on my part for leaving it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shouldnâ€™t the type attribute be â€œtext/x-opmlâ€??&#8221;</p>
<p>Should it be Randy? Tom Morris says it should be text/xml opml and since I&#8217;m not much of a programmer myself I&#8217;ll leave you two debate it. Agreed though that there should be a Text attribute. It was sheer laziness on my part for leaving it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49657</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far the only feedreader I've found that does not require saving an OPML file to something like opmlworkstation.com is newsgator. In newsgator, one's reading list stays updated at a URL at which one can point grazr or bitty browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far the only feedreader I&#8217;ve found that does not require saving an OPML file to something like opmlworkstation.com is newsgator. In newsgator, one&#8217;s reading list stays updated at a URL at which one can point grazr or bitty browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Sterling Camden</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49506</link>
		<dc:creator>Sterling Camden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep my published set of feeds in a specific folder in FeedDemon.  When I modify that list, I export that folder to a public OPML file.  Then I use my &lt;a href="http://chipstips.com/?tag=phpopmlroll"&gt;OPML blogroll widget for WordPress&lt;/a&gt; to publish the list on my web page.  The widget also adds an auto-discovery link.

I've mentioned to Nick Bradbury that it would be nice if you could auto-sync a folder to an OPML file, or just have FeedDemon manage that folder in an external OPML file.  That hasn't happened yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep my published set of feeds in a specific folder in FeedDemon.  When I modify that list, I export that folder to a public OPML file.  Then I use my <a href="http://chipstips.com/?tag=phpopmlroll">OPML blogroll widget for WordPress</a> to publish the list on my web page.  The widget also adds an auto-discovery link.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned to Nick Bradbury that it would be nice if you could auto-sync a folder to an OPML file, or just have FeedDemon manage that folder in an external OPML file.  That hasn&#8217;t happened yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Charles Morin</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49202</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Charles Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple remarks. Shouldn't the type attribute be "text/x-opml"? Shouldn't you have a text attribute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple remarks. Shouldn&#8217;t the type attribute be &#8220;text/x-opml&#8221;? Shouldn&#8217;t you have a text attribute?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49158</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just noticed the URL there has a '.' at the end of it. Take it away and you'd find the OPML file</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed the URL there has a &#8216;.&#8217; at the end of it. Take it away and you&#8217;d find the OPML file</p>
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		<title>By: Ken McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49137</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recntly added the same to my own set of blogs after picking up a few emails from James - http://www.kenmc.com/kenmc.opml. Provides a great way to promote reading of all my other blogs by using the sidebar grazr. Quite a handy one indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recntly added the same to my own set of blogs after picking up a few emails from James - <a href="http://www.kenmc.com/kenmc.opml">http://www.kenmc.com/kenmc.opml</a>. Provides a great way to promote reading of all my other blogs by using the sidebar grazr. Quite a handy one indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: James Corbett</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49129</link>
		<dc:creator>James Corbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news guys, there *is* a Feed Aggregator that does this - BlogBridge.com. With BlogBridge you manage collections of feeds known as Guides and you can choose to publish your guide as a Reading List. A Reading List is nothing more than a dynamic feed list which means the collection of feeds is expected to change at any time.

For instance I created a Guide for Entrepreneurship in Ireland (ie. a list of blogs I subscribe to which I consider relevant to Irish entrepreneurs) and then in the Properties for that Guide I chose to Publish it as a Reading List. BlogBridge gives it a URL and hosts it for you. Mine is at -

http://www.blogbridge.com/rl/4527/EirePreneurship.opml

Whenever I change the list of feeds in that Guide all I have to do is re-sync or have it re-sync automatically and the OPML changes accordingly.

As regards OPML autodiscovery, yes, it's difficult to see reasons for doing that right now but, as with RSS autodiscovery, we'll see more and more reasons as time goes on. It's all part of the bootstrap for the ecosystem. Now that the likes of Tom Morris OPML Ping Server can track the growing universe of OPML we could expect to see OPML spiders launching soon.

Also Tom its good to see you availing of the hierarchical capabilities of OPML to arrange your FeedRoll (or whatever term will catch on) into sub-categories. It's now even easier to navigate :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news guys, there *is* a Feed Aggregator that does this - BlogBridge.com. With BlogBridge you manage collections of feeds known as Guides and you can choose to publish your guide as a Reading List. A Reading List is nothing more than a dynamic feed list which means the collection of feeds is expected to change at any time.</p>
<p>For instance I created a Guide for Entrepreneurship in Ireland (ie. a list of blogs I subscribe to which I consider relevant to Irish entrepreneurs) and then in the Properties for that Guide I chose to Publish it as a Reading List. BlogBridge gives it a URL and hosts it for you. Mine is at -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blogbridge.com/rl/4527/EirePreneurship.opml">http://www.blogbridge.com/rl/4527/EirePreneurship.opml</a></p>
<p>Whenever I change the list of feeds in that Guide all I have to do is re-sync or have it re-sync automatically and the OPML changes accordingly.</p>
<p>As regards OPML autodiscovery, yes, it&#8217;s difficult to see reasons for doing that right now but, as with RSS autodiscovery, we&#8217;ll see more and more reasons as time goes on. It&#8217;s all part of the bootstrap for the ecosystem. Now that the likes of Tom Morris OPML Ping Server can track the growing universe of OPML we could expect to see OPML spiders launching soon.</p>
<p>Also Tom its good to see you availing of the hierarchical capabilities of OPML to arrange your FeedRoll (or whatever term will catch on) into sub-categories. It&#8217;s now even easier to navigate <img src='http://www.tomrafteryit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Andy C</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/opml-autodiscovery/#comment-49111</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If there were some way I could have my RSS reader synch with the remote OPML file, that would reduce a lot of the overhead.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tom - I couldn't agree more. To me, this seems a very obvious and useful requirement. I am staggered that none of the RSS readers support it.</description>
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<p>Tom - I couldn&#8217;t agree more. To me, this seems a very obvious and useful requirement. I am staggered that none of the RSS readers support it.</p>
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