Comments on: OS X to Vista networking help needed http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/ Tom Raftery, social media consultant, speaker, blogger and podcaster Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:46:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Tis Me http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105728 Tis Me Mon, 21 May 2007 07:47:43 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105728 Wait again.. Sorry, MacDrive ver7 *is* compatible.. http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/ Wait again.. Sorry, MacDrive ver7 *is* compatible..
http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/

]]> By: Tis Me http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105727 Tis Me Mon, 21 May 2007 07:46:54 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105727 Wait.. MacDrive isn't compatible with Vista! Wait.. MacDrive isn’t compatible with Vista!

]]> By: Tis Me http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105726 Tis Me Mon, 21 May 2007 07:45:42 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105726 Tom, If you're that worried about the firewalls, disconnect from internet first then try with firewalls off. 90% chance that the issue with conection is because of firewalls. Are you seeing an arp entry for the hosts? Like if you ping MAC from PC and PC from MAC, then on windows command prompt, type arp -a and you should see an arp entry for the MAC and do the same from the terminal program in MAC to see arp entries. C:\>arp -a Interface: 10.1.1.1 --- 0x2 Internet Address Physical Address Type 10.2.2.5 e0-a0-0c-07-ac-08 dynamic This will at the very least tell you if the machines can see each other at layer 2. To get windows to see the LaCie drive use MAcdrive http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive6/ The demo is fully functional for a few days, I used this recently to transfer date from PC to LaCie and then onto MAC. Good Luck! Tom,

If you’re that worried about the firewalls, disconnect from internet first then try with firewalls off. 90% chance that the issue with conection is because of firewalls. Are you seeing an arp entry for the hosts? Like if you ping MAC from PC and PC from MAC, then on windows command prompt, type arp -a and you should see an arp entry for the MAC and do the same from the terminal program in MAC to see arp entries.

C:\>arp -a

Interface: 10.1.1.1 — 0×2
Internet Address Physical Address Type
10.2.2.5 e0-a0-0c-07-ac-08 dynamic

This will at the very least tell you if the machines can see each other at layer 2.

To get windows to see the LaCie drive use MAcdrive http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive6/
The demo is fully functional for a few days, I used this recently to transfer date from PC to LaCie and then onto MAC.

Good Luck!

]]> By: John McBride http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105722 John McBride Mon, 21 May 2007 02:57:52 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105722 You could try a telnet to the Vista machine on port 139: <em>telnet 192.168.2.X 139</em> if the connection attempt seems to hang then it is likely to be a firewall issue. You could try a telnet to the Vista machine on port 139: telnet 192.168.2.X 139 if the connection attempt seems to hang then it is likely to be a firewall issue.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105688 Tom Raftery Fri, 18 May 2007 13:10:24 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105688 @Shane - ah, apologies - I mis-understood. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I'll have another look at it then. @Shane - ah, apologies - I mis-understood. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I’ll have another look at it then.

]]> By: Jonathan Brazil http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105687 Jonathan Brazil Fri, 18 May 2007 13:08:44 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105687 Hi Tom, My Windows boxes machines aren't actually Vista-based, still refusing to move from XP. I had forgot about the stack rewrite and stupidly assumed that basic networking would still function. :) Looks like Vista is playing silly beggers alright. Another thing you could try out of curiousity is to put a web server (Apache or IIS if you already have it installed) on the Vista machine and see if port 80 traffic in the "local area network" is blocked aswell as ping traffic. If not then there's one solution and perhaps points the finger at an over-zealous firewall on the Vista box. Best of luck. Hi Tom,

My Windows boxes machines aren’t actually Vista-based, still refusing to move from XP. I had forgot about the stack rewrite and stupidly assumed that basic networking would still function. :) Looks like Vista is playing silly beggers alright. Another thing you could try out of curiousity is to put a web server (Apache or IIS if you already have it installed) on the Vista machine and see if port 80 traffic in the “local area network” is blocked aswell as ping traffic. If not then there’s one solution and perhaps points the finger at an over-zealous firewall on the Vista box.

Best of luck.

]]> By: Shane Mitchell http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105686 Shane Mitchell Fri, 18 May 2007 13:04:22 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105686 Tom, Hamachi only uses the server to setup the connection between peers then all file transfers are direct. Tom, Hamachi only uses the server to setup the connection between peers then all file transfers are direct.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105685 Tom Raftery Fri, 18 May 2007 12:58:13 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105685 @Tis Me - I know this is stupid but I am slow to turn off firewalls. @Shane - I wasn't familiar with Hamachi but I use FolderShare from time to time. However, moving a 4.5gb file out to the Internet and back again would have taken days, I suspect! @Dáithí - thanks a million. I had gone through the procedure outlined in that article last night but couldn't get it to work. Today though I tried a slight deviation from article and I'm connected - wohoo! @Tis Me - I know this is stupid but I am slow to turn off firewalls.

@Shane - I wasn’t familiar with Hamachi but I use FolderShare from time to time. However, moving a 4.5gb file out to the Internet and back again would have taken days, I suspect!

@Dáithí - thanks a million. I had gone through the procedure outlined in that article last night but couldn’t get it to work. Today though I tried a slight deviation from article and I’m connected - wohoo!

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105684 Tom Raftery Fri, 18 May 2007 12:52:48 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105684 Wow! Thanks for all the help guys! @Conor it is two separate machines. FTP is failing to work for me, won't connect. Trying the Lifehacker article now. @Jonathan, are your Windows machines Vista? Seemingly that makes a big difference because of the newly written tcp/ip stack. I am trying to ping and connect by ip address. @Branedy I may have to go this route. I have a La Cie external drive but the Vista machine can't/won't see it!!! Wow!

Thanks for all the help guys!

@Conor it is two separate machines. FTP is failing to work for me, won’t connect. Trying the Lifehacker article now.

@Jonathan, are your Windows machines Vista? Seemingly that makes a big difference because of the newly written tcp/ip stack.
I am trying to ping and connect by ip address.

@Branedy I may have to go this route. I have a La Cie external drive but the Vista machine can’t/won’t see it!!!

]]> By: Dáithí http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105683 Dáithí Fri, 18 May 2007 12:22:44 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105683 Not sure if this is any good to you.. you've probably covered all these bases.. http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6174105.html Not sure if this is any good to you.. you’ve probably covered all these bases..

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6174105.html

]]> By: Shane Mitchell http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105682 Shane Mitchell Fri, 18 May 2007 12:21:07 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105682 While not a solution to the networking issue, <a href="http://www.hamachi.cc/">Hamachi</a> should allow you to transfer the file While not a solution to the networking issue, Hamachi should allow you to transfer the file

]]> By: Tis Me http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105681 Tis Me Fri, 18 May 2007 12:17:21 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105681 Pings are probably stopped by the host firewalls. Turn off any windows or MAC firewalls.. Check the arp tables, even if ping isn't working you should see an entry in the arp table. Use the command arp -a to show entries in the arp tables on the 2 hosts this means they physically know how to get to each other. then make sure you've file sharing turned on. Alternatively boot the MAC in target disk mode and connect via firewire to the PC as an external drive. Just my 2 bits, networks are my thing, macs I'm just learning!! Pings are probably stopped by the host firewalls.
Turn off any windows or MAC firewalls.. Check the arp tables, even if ping isn’t working you should see an entry in the arp table.
Use the command arp -a to show entries in the arp tables on the 2 hosts this means they physically know how to get to each other. then make sure you’ve file sharing turned on.

Alternatively boot the MAC in target disk mode and connect via firewire to the PC as an external drive.

Just my 2 bits, networks are my thing, macs I’m just learning!!

]]> By: Branedy http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105680 Branedy Fri, 18 May 2007 11:38:31 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105680 We use a Buffalo http://www.buffalo-technology.com/home/ linkstation to transfer files between PC and Mac systems. It performs the duties of NAS fileserver. We use a Buffalo http://www.buffalo-technology.com/home/ linkstation to transfer files between PC and Mac systems. It performs the duties of NAS fileserver.

]]> By: Jonathan Brazil http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105679 Jonathan Brazil Fri, 18 May 2007 11:10:54 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105679 Sounds very odd Tom. I have a hybrid Windows/Mac network at home and although I sometimes have name resolution issues there's never a problem pinging machines based on IP address. Does the ping on IP fail or is it just a $ping machine-name that fails. If it's the latter then you should at the very least be able to open a writable share on your Vista box and then instead of looking in the network area of Finder go to Finder-->Go-->Conect to Server, enter smb://ip-address in the connection text box, hit connect and it should present you with a list of available shares from that machine. If you can't ping the machines on IP address then it may suggest something a little more sinister. :-? Sounds very odd Tom. I have a hybrid Windows/Mac network at home and although I sometimes have name resolution issues there’s never a problem pinging machines based on IP address. Does the ping on IP fail or is it just a $ping machine-name that fails. If it’s the latter then you should at the very least be able to open a writable share on your Vista box and then instead of looking in the network area of Finder go to Finder–>Go–>Conect to Server, enter smb://ip-address in the connection text box, hit connect and it should present you with a list of available shares from that machine. If you can’t ping the machines on IP address then it may suggest something a little more sinister. :-?

]]> By: Conor http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105677 Conor Fri, 18 May 2007 10:57:29 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105677 For seperate physical machines, try this: http://lifehacker.com/software/mac-os-x/how-to-mount-a-windows-shared-folder-on-your-mac-247148.php For seperate physical machines, try this:
http://lifehacker.com/software/mac-os-x/how-to-mount-a-windows-shared-folder-on-your-mac-247148.php

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105674 Tom Raftery Fri, 18 May 2007 10:44:58 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105674 Ok, cool - Parallels can see the DVD burned by Vista (but the Mac can't - weird!). Now I have a lower quality copy of the file on the Mac. I'd still like to find a way to network them though. It seems crazy that I can't. Ok,

cool - Parallels can see the DVD burned by Vista (but the Mac can’t - weird!).

Now I have a lower quality copy of the file on the Mac.

I’d still like to find a way to network them though. It seems crazy that I can’t.

]]> By: Conor http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105673 Conor Fri, 18 May 2007 10:44:27 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105673 You could always FTP them over. Turn on FTP service on Vista and ensure port 21 is not blocked by Vista's firewall. I think ICMP is blocked by default hence cannot ping. If you're using Parallels, why not config virtual machine settings for shared folder and drag-drop files between OSes - it's in Parallels manual. Similiar to VMware. You could always FTP them over. Turn on FTP service on Vista and ensure port 21 is not blocked by Vista’s firewall. I think ICMP is blocked by default hence cannot ping.

If you’re using Parallels, why not config virtual machine settings for shared folder and drag-drop files between OSes - it’s in Parallels manual. Similiar to VMware.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105672 Tom Raftery Fri, 18 May 2007 10:24:39 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105672 I don't think so Twenty. If only because I just copied another file (a smaller version of the 4.75gb one) onto a dvd and when I drop the dvd into the Mac, the Mac says it is blank! I didn't try viewing the dvd in Parallels though - good thinking Twenty! Back in a mo! I don’t think so Twenty.

If only because I just copied another file (a smaller version of the 4.75gb one) onto a dvd and when I drop the dvd into the Mac, the Mac says it is blank!

I didn’t try viewing the dvd in Parallels though - good thinking Twenty!

Back in a mo!

]]> By: Twenty Major http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105671 Twenty Major Fri, 18 May 2007 10:18:42 +0000 http://www.tomrafteryit.net/os-x-to-vista-networking-help-needed/#comment-105671 Can you split the file and burn to two DVDs then use HJSplit on Windows in Parallels on the Mac to rejoin it? Can you split the file and burn to two DVDs then use HJSplit on Windows in Parallels on the Mac to rejoin it?

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