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		<title>By: Liga</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/we-have-lost-faith-in-advertising-if-we-ever-had-any/#comment-101516</link>
		<dc:creator>Liga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I canâ€™t point to any surveys Uldis but I can give you a couple of examples. How much did Skype spend on advertising? Or Firefox? Or Google? Or more recently Joost?" 

Tom, everything you mentioned here are online/ computer based products. But what about real world material products which I can touch, smell etc.? Will it work for them too?

"By the way, I wouldnâ€™t recommend abandoning traditional advertising completely. It may be necessary for some companies. It needs to be looked at carefully and the decision made on a per case basis."

Now I am happy! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I canâ€™t point to any surveys Uldis but I can give you a couple of examples. How much did Skype spend on advertising? Or Firefox? Or Google? Or more recently Joost?&#8221; </p>
<p>Tom, everything you mentioned here are online/ computer based products. But what about real world material products which I can touch, smell etc.? Will it work for them too?</p>
<p>&#8220;By the way, I wouldnâ€™t recommend abandoning traditional advertising completely. It may be necessary for some companies. It needs to be looked at carefully and the decision made on a per case basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I am happy! <img src='http://www.tomrafteryit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/we-have-lost-faith-in-advertising-if-we-ever-had-any/#comment-101514</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It would be nice to chat with you by the cup of tea or pint of Guiness if you would happen to be in Galway&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sounds delightful Liga - I'll take you up on that next time I'm in Galway.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom, can you point to some well known survey that confirms this? It is easy to say â€œthere is no questionâ€, but people who are making business decisions and are not passionate bloggers themselves will want a proof.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I can't point to any surveys Uldis but I can give you a couple of examples. How much did Skype spend on advertising? Or Firefox? Or Google? Or more recently Joost?

Nothing. Zero. Zip. All became incredible successes simply through blogs and viral marketing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If there were no question at all then why do companies spend more investment on traditional advertising than on blogs? Do they lack business sense?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I think they are simply uninformed. 

By the way, I wouldn't recommend abandoning traditional advertising completely. It may be necessary for some companies. It needs to be looked at carefully and the decision made on a per case basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It would be nice to chat with you by the cup of tea or pint of Guiness if you would happen to be in Galway</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds delightful Liga - I&#8217;ll take you up on that next time I&#8217;m in Galway.</p>
<blockquote><p>Tom, can you point to some well known survey that confirms this? It is easy to say â€œthere is no questionâ€, but people who are making business decisions and are not passionate bloggers themselves will want a proof.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t point to any surveys Uldis but I can give you a couple of examples. How much did Skype spend on advertising? Or Firefox? Or Google? Or more recently Joost?</p>
<p>Nothing. Zero. Zip. All became incredible successes simply through blogs and viral marketing.</p>
<blockquote><p>If there were no question at all then why do companies spend more investment on traditional advertising than on blogs? Do they lack business sense?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I think they are simply uninformed. </p>
<p>By the way, I wouldn&#8217;t recommend abandoning traditional advertising completely. It may be necessary for some companies. It needs to be looked at carefully and the decision made on a per case basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Uldis Bojars</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/we-have-lost-faith-in-advertising-if-we-ever-had-any/#comment-101513</link>
		<dc:creator>Uldis Bojars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Liga is not resting her case :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, if you say which gives the better return on investment, blogs or traditional advertising - there is no question that the answer is blogs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tom, can you point to some well known survey that confirms this? It is easy to say "there is no question", but people who are making business decisions and are not passionate bloggers themselves will want a proof.

If there were no question at all then why do companies spend more investment on traditional advertising than on blogs? Do they lack business sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Liga is not resting her case <img src='http://www.tomrafteryit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>So, if you say which gives the better return on investment, blogs or traditional advertising - there is no question that the answer is blogs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tom, can you point to some well known survey that confirms this? It is easy to say &#8220;there is no question&#8221;, but people who are making business decisions and are not passionate bloggers themselves will want a proof.</p>
<p>If there were no question at all then why do companies spend more investment on traditional advertising than on blogs? Do they lack business sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Liga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to chat with you by the cup of tea or pint of Guiness if you would happen to be in Galway :)</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liga, I think you raise an interesting question. I'd rephrase it though.

If you spent $20m on advertising and put up a very lame blog, then all your sales are going to come from the advertising obviously. 

So, if you say which gives the better return on investment, blogs or traditional advertising - there is no question that the answer is blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liga, I think you raise an interesting question. I&#8217;d rephrase it though.</p>
<p>If you spent $20m on advertising and put up a very lame blog, then all your sales are going to come from the advertising obviously. </p>
<p>So, if you say which gives the better return on investment, blogs or traditional advertising - there is no question that the answer is blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Liga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do blogs bring you bigger sale than advertising? It would be a nice experiment.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And now - we have 55 shampoo producers, they all have blogs with tips, suggestions, recipes. A lot of them are targeting the same niche and have similar content. What next? To advertise their blogs?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Liga - the beauty of blogs/podcasts/vidcasts/etc. is that you don't need to advertise them. The 55 producer's content will naturally differentiate along lines of content and quality.

The best will rise to the top naturally either virally or via recommendation engines. This is already happening with blogs, podcasts and with the millions of videos uploaded to the likes of YouTube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And now - we have 55 shampoo producers, they all have blogs with tips, suggestions, recipes. A lot of them are targeting the same niche and have similar content. What next? To advertise their blogs?</p></blockquote>
<p>Liga - the beauty of blogs/podcasts/vidcasts/etc. is that you don&#8217;t need to advertise them. The 55 producer&#8217;s content will naturally differentiate along lines of content and quality.</p>
<p>The best will rise to the top naturally either virally or via recommendation engines. This is already happening with blogs, podcasts and with the millions of videos uploaded to the likes of YouTube.</p>
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		<title>By: Liga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your thinking! (really)

I agree that it would be nicer instead of annoying advertising read a couple of blogs containing nice tips wich will help you in day to day life. And now - we have 55 shampoo producers, they all have blogs with tips, suggestions, recipes. A lot of them are targeting the same niche  and have similar content. What next? To advertise their blogs? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your thinking! (really)</p>
<p>I agree that it would be nicer instead of annoying advertising read a couple of blogs containing nice tips wich will help you in day to day life. And now - we have 55 shampoo producers, they all have blogs with tips, suggestions, recipes. A lot of them are targeting the same niche  and have similar content. What next? To advertise their blogs? <img src='http://www.tomrafteryit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/we-have-lost-faith-in-advertising-if-we-ever-had-any/#comment-101494</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Imagine you are producing shampoo. I am not sure that average houswife will read your blog&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree completely Liga. The average housewife might not read your blog if you blog about shampoo, sure. But what if you blog about hair care tips. Every woman is interested in the health of her hair. That would very likely work.

The idea is to blog about something which will be compelling to your target market.

Don't just blog either. Podcast or videocast too.

The possibilities are endless. The price tag is low and the trust meter is off the wall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Imagine you are producing shampoo. I am not sure that average houswife will read your blog</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree completely Liga. The average housewife might not read your blog if you blog about shampoo, sure. But what if you blog about hair care tips. Every woman is interested in the health of her hair. That would very likely work.</p>
<p>The idea is to blog about something which will be compelling to your target market.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t just blog either. Podcast or videocast too.</p>
<p>The possibilities are endless. The price tag is low and the trust meter is off the wall!</p>
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		<title>By: Liga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it will work with some products or businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it will work with some products or businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Liga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine you are producing shampoo. I am not sure that average houswife will read your blog :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine you are producing shampoo. I am not sure that average houswife will read your blog <img src='http://www.tomrafteryit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.tomrafteryit.net/we-have-lost-faith-in-advertising-if-we-ever-had-any/#comment-101488</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Will you as a company manager wait until somebody accidentally will find you or will you advertise your product? And what if you just started your business and nobody knows about you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Liga - start a blog. Blogs are far cheaper and are much more cost effective and trusted then advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Will you as a company manager wait until somebody accidentally will find you or will you advertise your product? And what if you just started your business and nobody knows about you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Liga - start a blog. Blogs are far cheaper and are much more cost effective and trusted then advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Liga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The greatest advert for any business is a great product" but if there are 30 or 300 similar products on the market? Will you as a company manager wait until somebody accidentally will find you or will you advertise your product? And what if you just started your business and nobody knows about you? 

And in the end of the day there will be only some people like you who will resist to by. Others will remember good things which they saw or heard and that will help them to choose in favour of advertised product. [In advertising logic is not important, important are emotions. And it's not important if you like the ad or not, important is that it works.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The greatest advert for any business is a great product&#8221; but if there are 30 or 300 similar products on the market? Will you as a company manager wait until somebody accidentally will find you or will you advertise your product? And what if you just started your business and nobody knows about you? </p>
<p>And in the end of the day there will be only some people like you who will resist to by. Others will remember good things which they saw or heard and that will help them to choose in favour of advertised product. [In advertising logic is not important, important are emotions. And it's not important if you like the ad or not, important is that it works.]</p>
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		<title>By: Evert Bopp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evert Bopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's like a lot of TV ads.
They present something as "new &#38; improved".
Does that mean that the previous version was crap?

E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like a lot of TV ads.<br />
They present something as &#8220;new &amp; improved&#8221;.<br />
Does that mean that the previous version was crap?</p>
<p>E.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd reckon that a lot of this has to do with an almost continental separation between the individuals doing the business and the individuals doing the advertising.

Aside from being Web2.0 poster children, the recent thread on 37signals blog http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/307-what-do-you-want-to-know had a little piece about how they hired a PR firm but gave up after 3 months - all the 37signals advertising is written by them and all the words they use chosen carefully in accordance with their product.

The greatest advert for any business is a great product.  I think the Irish are very slow to pick up on this - I've been coming across so many services recently that are being hailed as revolutionary, but are so behind the times in terms of service.  &lt;a href="http://www.irishrail.ie"&gt;Transport in Dublin&lt;/a&gt; (and &lt;a href="http://www.transport.ie"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) as well as &lt;a href="http://www.buy4now.ie"&gt;shoddy eCommerce services&lt;/a&gt; are two examples of services where the advertising and the service are simply not part of the same business ecosystem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d reckon that a lot of this has to do with an almost continental separation between the individuals doing the business and the individuals doing the advertising.</p>
<p>Aside from being Web2.0 poster children, the recent thread on 37signals blog <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/307-what-do-you-want-to-know" rel="nofollow">http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/307-what-do-you-want-to-know</a> had a little piece about how they hired a PR firm but gave up after 3 months - all the 37signals advertising is written by them and all the words they use chosen carefully in accordance with their product.</p>
<p>The greatest advert for any business is a great product.  I think the Irish are very slow to pick up on this - I&#8217;ve been coming across so many services recently that are being hailed as revolutionary, but are so behind the times in terms of service.  <a href="http://www.irishrail.ie">Transport in Dublin</a> (and <a href="http://www.transport.ie">here</a>) as well as <a href="http://www.buy4now.ie">shoddy eCommerce services</a> are two examples of services where the advertising and the service are simply not part of the same business ecosystem.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:
This is Spain - we do things differently. Especially in the Autonomous State of Andalucia. 

Seriously - do you see Google ads surrounding your email? I don't. I 'tuned out' a long time ago...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:<br />
This is Spain - we do things differently. Especially in the Autonomous State of Andalucia. </p>
<p>Seriously - do you see Google ads surrounding your email? I don&#8217;t. I &#8216;tuned out&#8217; a long time ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eoghan McCabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eoghan McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More about those words here: http://brightlaunch.com/resources/marketing/forbidden-words-in-advertising</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More about those words here: <a href="http://brightlaunch.com/resources/marketing/forbidden-words-in-advertising" rel="nofollow">http://brightlaunch.com/resources/marketing/forbidden-words-in-advertising</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eoghan McCabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eoghan McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The five forbidden words of marketing:

1. Quality
2. Service
3. Value
4. Integrity
5. Caring</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The five forbidden words of marketing:</p>
<p>1. Quality<br />
2. Service<br />
3. Value<br />
4. Integrity<br />
5. Caring</p>
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		<title>By: CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually read somewhere that the average new yorker sees 5,000 ads a day. And they say New York has a graffiti problem. If I had a choice I would much prefer to see the graffiti than all those ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually read somewhere that the average new yorker sees 5,000 ads a day. And they say New York has a graffiti problem. If I had a choice I would much prefer to see the graffiti than all those ads.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Manahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Manahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear old dad, who was a very quiet-spoken architect, used to say to me back in the 1980s:

"Never buy a house from a development that is described as 'luxury,' 'prestige' or 'exclusive.'

I saw a billboard the other day with all three terms on it ...

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear old dad, who was a very quiet-spoken architect, used to say to me back in the 1980s:</p>
<p>&#8220;Never buy a house from a development that is described as &#8216;luxury,&#8217; &#8216;prestige&#8217; or &#8216;exclusive.&#8217;</p>
<p>I saw a billboard the other day with all three terms on it &#8230;</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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